Alternative Vote

[Snufflebutt]

Whilst I'm in the campaign and will obviously vote Yes, I don't think it's been effectively run. I've heard the argument 'AV will make for less corrupt politicians' and I just don't see that happening. Power corrupts, it doesn't matter a f**k what the voting system is. The campaign would have been much better saying, 'Do you really want to vote for FPTP? Really?' FPTP is a fabulous system if there's only 2 choices on the ballot paper. Um, My ballot paper will have, at the very least, 4 names on it (in Scotland).

The campaign should have used examples out with politics to prove their point - few countries use AV, but it is still widely used for a variety of purposes. To take one example, the Oscar for Best Film is now voted for by AV. This happened as a result of the number of nominees being increased to 10 - using FPTP could have meant a film winning with a tiny amount of winning votes. There are some (high profile) seats which will get near-to 10 candidates at the next general election (probably Cameron and Milibands seats) - meaning the winning candidate could win with just over 10% of the vote. The arguments against FPTP are too many to mention.

[Purple Monkey]

If the Alternative Vote was "scrap politics and politicians entirely" then I'd vote but since it's all part of a system that has left me feeling completely disaffected by it all I don't think I'll bother. I want a box that says "Go f**k yourselves". No deferred allegiance would result; just a vote of no confidence in the system.

Every time I see any leaflets or information its always about people I don't relate to in any way - the same old divided society forming into pathetic bickering groups about short-term problems that mean nothing and never will. I read them, and they all end up in the bin. I've decided that expecting a politician to make my life better would be a pretty sad thing to do.

Edited April 19, 2011 by Purple Monkey

[worm]

If the Alternative Vote was "scrap politics and politicians entirely" then I'd vote but since it's all part of a system that has left me feeling completely disaffected by it all I don't think I'll bother. I want a box that says "Go f**k yourselves". No deferred allegiance would result; just a vote of no confidence in the system.

Every time I see any leaflets or information its always about people I don't relate to in any way - the same old divided society forming into pathetic bickering groups about short-term problems that mean nothing and never will. I read them, and they all end up in the bin. I've decided that expecting a politician to make my life better would be a pretty sad thing to do.

[Kyelo]

They should make voting compulsory and put a 'No Vote' option on the paper.

[Greeny_Musicchild]

If the Alternative Vote was "scrap politics and politicians entirely" then I'd vote but since it's all part of a system that has left me feeling completely disaffected by it all I don't think I'll bother. I want a box that says "Go f**k yourselves". No deferred allegiance would result; just a vote of no confidence in the system.

Every time I see any leaflets or information its always about people I don't relate to in any way - the same old divided society forming into pathetic bickering groups about short-term problems that mean nothing and never will. I read them, and they all end up in the bin. I've decided that expecting a politician to make my life better would be a pretty sad thing to do.

[llcoolphil]

Welcome to my world.

[worm]

I fancy it may be a touch grandiose to be assimilating disenfranchisement as your world to welcome people to

[llcoolphil]

You're focusing too much on the 'my' and not enough on the 'welcome'.

[worm]

The second implies the first, otherwise id be welcoming people to your house and inviting them to help themselves to your vodka!

[llcoolphil]

Individuals reaching the same conclusion independently is not the same as everyone agreeing with the same conclusion.

[worm]

How could we measure that difference?

[eFestivals]

People who are against it...

Dave Moron

Rupert Murdoch

Nick Griffin

If those names being against AV isn't a reason to vote for AV, I don't know what is.

[Purple Monkey]

People who are against it...

Dave Moron

Rupert Murdoch

Nick Griffin

If those names being against AV isn't a reason to vote for AV, I don't know what is.

[Snufflebutt]

People who are against it...

Dave Moron

Rupert Murdoch

Nick Griffin

If those names being against AV isn't a reason to vote for AV, I don't know what is.

[llcoolphil]

I feel tempted now just to vote so it'll annoy these people, even if it's level of annoyance is the equivalent of a buzzing fly, behind a window, trapped under a glass on the ledge, during a thunderstorm.

[doogie]

I've voted Yes.

sums up nicely why AV makes sense.

[Pogues Mcgogues]

If the yes campaign wins it'll be more than a minor annoyance for Camoron - the tories could descend into civil war.

[llcoolphil]

Can you not vote?

[Pogues Mcgogues]

Me personally? No. It'll look shit for Milliband if your lot dont form the next government up there

[llcoolphil]

Not as shit as an individual's political argument who can't be arsed filling out a form to to have it voiced.

We will. Don't worry.

[grumpyhack]

People who don't vote shouldn't complain afterwards about the results of elections. Given what so many people in so many countries have gone through, and are still going through, to get the right to vote I find the level of complacency about elections in this country saddening.

[Ed209]

learnt today that even though we're told by the NO side that no other EU country that has AV system, no other EU country has FPTP either.

it was news to me anyway

Edited April 27, 2011 by Ed209

[Kyelo]

People who don't vote shouldn't complain afterwards about the results of elections. Given what so many people in so many countries have gone through, and are still going through, to get the right to vote I find the level of complacency about elections in this country saddening.

[Snufflebutt]

learnt today that even though we're told by the NO side that no other EU country that has AV system, no other EU country has FPTP either.

it was news to me anyway

[Snufflebutt]

To some people though not voting is voting, it is them saying none of what you offer is appealing to me.

We should make voting compulsory and have a 'No Vote' box on the ballot.