Us capataleeest peeeegs!.... Shopping.

[rabid]

In Krautistan.. they dont do uniforms..

[feral chile]

None of my 3 have ever done that and I don''t remember ever doing it either. In fact I must have been a bit of a pain for my parents since I never really asked for anything. Loved my 12 speed Puch racer when I got it one Christmas though - didn't matter at all that it was second hand. All the other kids had BMXs and they could eat my dust.

[gratedenini]

mmm... no underpants, no laundry, and motorbike oil...

[feral chile]

Yes, i remember the (no) washing of jeans. I`ve never worn underpants since I left school. I`ve occasionally put them on for sexual activity and to stop me plums ballooning up after me Vazzy. but I find they get you all cheesed up in warm weather.

[feral chile]

Well clearly he does or he wouldn't have been dragged off to Asda today.

[rabid]

My kids have been pretty good. Apart from games consoles - that was the in thing when they were little. they were always really great though - they knew we didn't have much, and they never pressurised us.

The one we've still got at home never asks for anything, and we do have a little spare cash now. they haven't really been brought up to be materialistic though.

[saratink]

Regards to school shoes, i wore Doc martains and one pair lasted YEARS.

Ok, my feet havent grown since i was 13, so i must be an exception...

Edited January 16, 2011 by saratink

[rabid]

Regards to school shoes, i wore Doc martains and one pair lasted YEARS.

Ok, my feet havent grown since i was 13, so i must be an exception...

[worm]

And?

[diddly-dee]

Although I agree that commercialsm as a whole is wrong, If people have the cash and want to spend it on their kids then surely they should be allowed to, even if it is on a fashion label they'll grow out of in a month. It's their money, they've earned it and should be able to spend it whatever way they want.

It's a tough one, you want to buy the best for your children but don't want to spoil them. I suppose a good parent (if they can afford it) will get their children the best but teach them the worth of it as well. I guess I'll find out whenever I have children.

[rabid]

Less of your hippy ballz please. Going to the matiarilistic mecca is a god send for us single Dads, though I'd rather be playing on a games console like in days of old.

[worm]

The beach is closer.

[rabid]

And?

[worm]

A lot cheaper.

Edited January 17, 2011 by worm

[Purple Monkey]

Whilst, yes it must be exceptionally difficult for parents to try and satisfy their children's never-ending demands - and as we all know as soon as one item is bought then another is requested - it's a never-ending cycle of purchase. And whilst parents do "want to do the best for their children", the reality is that by joining-in this circus of consumption they're not doing the best for their children. They're doing the polar opposite. Without wishing to sound all bhuddist, they're condoning and perpetuating the shallow and empty mindset that, unnecessary, material possessions have values beyond their utility - ascribing emotional and spitirual values to consumer/fashion durables/goods (i.e. x-brand is cool, y-brand is 'last season' etc.) which, in reality these items just don't have. There's not only a massive environmental cost to this, but parents are effectively teaching their children that the purchase of pointless sh*te is a display of affection. And, whilst I don't know the financial circumstances of the couple Den saw in the Metro centre but it's often not the case that 'people have worked for their money and they should be allowed to spend it how they want' - many parents thinking they are doing the best for their children get into debt and financial difficulty because they succumb to the pressures to consume and purchase.

Edited January 17, 2011 by Purple Monkey

[ampersand]

Whilst, yes it must be exceptionally difficult for parents to try and satisfy their children's never-ending demands - and as we all know as soon as one item is bought then another is requested - it's a never-ending cycle of purchase. And whilst parents do "want to do the best for their children", the reality is that by joining-in this circus of consumption they're not doing the best for their children. They're doing the polar opposite. Without wishing to sound all bhuddist, they're condoning and perpetuating the shallow and empty mindset that, unnecessary, material possessions have values beyond their utility - ascribing emotional and spitirual values to consumer/fashion durables/goods (i.e. x-brand is cool, y-brand is 'last season' etc.) which, in reality these items just don't have. There's not only a massive environmental cost to this, but parents are effectively teaching their children that the purchase of pointless sh*te is a display of affection. And, whilst I don't know the financial circumstances of the couple Den saw in the Metro centre but it's often not the case that 'people have worked for their money and they should be allowed to spend it how they want' - many parents thinking they are doing the best for their children get into debt and financial difficulty because they succumb to the pressures to consume and purchase.

[llcoolphil]

I hate that place with a passion, I could probably count on both hands - maybe one - the number of times I've been there. Eldon Square is bad enough. What gets me is people will travel to these places from miles away to look round the EXACT same shops with the EXACT same stock for A DAY OUT!

The size of that place, you could have a beautiful big park there.

[gratedenini]

Whilst, yes it must be exceptionally difficult for parents to try and satisfy their children's never-ending demands - and as we all know as soon as one item is bought then another is requested - it's a never-ending cycle of purchase. And whilst parents do "want to do the best for their children", the reality is that by joining-in this circus of consumption they're not doing the best for their children. They're doing the polar opposite. Without wishing to sound all bhuddist, they're condoning and perpetuating the shallow and empty mindset that, unnecessary, material possessions have values beyond their utility - ascribing emotional and spitirual values to consumer/fashion durables/goods (i.e. x-brand is cool, y-brand is 'last season' etc.) which, in reality these items just don't have. There's not only a massive environmental cost to this, but parents are effectively teaching their children that the purchase of pointless sh*te is a display of affection. And, whilst I don't know the financial circumstances of the couple Den saw in the Metro centre but it's often not the case that 'people have worked for their money and they should be allowed to spend it how they want' - many parents thinking they are doing the best for their children get into debt and financial difficulty because they succumb to the pressures to consume and purchase.

Edited January 17, 2011 by gratedenini

[feral chile]

Well said.

The spoilt kids at school when I was a kid were just as Chavvy and as rotten as the rough kids from the estates. They got given everything when they wanted it, and so held no value for anything they had, or more importantly, what others had. The rough kids were more obsessed with being utter psychopaths, whereas the rich kids just wanted to assert their sense of self-entitlement on everyone else (e.g. via bullying) because at home they were the centre of the universe and they wanted that same treatment at school too.

Spoiled children turn into the worst kind of people when they're older too. They're usually massively immature and take no responsibility for their actions, usually shit with money and constantly have to resort to asking daddy for help when they do stupid shit like crash their car. All you do by giving kids an endless stream of superficial gifts is leave them with their hand out later in life.

Edited January 17, 2011 by feral chile

[ampersand]

Oh wow.. those words bring tears to me eyes Amp and distance me even further from the yoof of today!

I`ve said it on here many times--I LOVE me i`pod--its on all the time.

But I do miss my tactile CDs and even more--my LPs.

They are more than just music Amp!!

They are tangible memories and feelings and emotion.

I write in all my CDs--where I bought em,how much and a few words describing the moment.

I have some Christians and barenaked ladies CDs which mean a lot to me.

Passages of lyrics are highlighted and theres splashes of drink on them,tears and a few hot rock burns.

They mean so so much to me..my most cherished of things.

How can you have that with downloaded music? Impossible.

Oway, Me Likkle Amps... yer pushin me to me grave.....

Uncle Den, d`yer Ken?

[jump]

can my adidas three stripe not do the same then? it brings back fond memories of t in the park this year and billy talent when i look at the mud stained sleeve!

after all, the memory only comes with the experience afterwards, not with the initial buying. and the music memories come with just that. the music. i was going through my itunes last night and making up a playlist. and that little mp3 brough back so many memories from certain years. without a cd or a little notebook.

[ampersand]

What about the experience/memory of going into a little indie shop and flicking through their cd's and discover a new album of a band you forgot about, or picking something up on a whim as the cover looks intresting or you ask the guy who runs the shop about the song playing in background?

[Steve P]

i +1'd you but some points here are essentially how i feel about music now. mainly the bit in bold. like people in the hmv thread over in glastoland where they talk about needing to hold the product and see the artwork and read the inner notes. who cares when the product is essentially the music in your ears, and nothing more.

[ampersand]

Not needing to but wanting to. As an example look at the album Dark Night of the Soul by Dangermouse and Sparklehorse. It was released with a booklet of photo's taken by David Lynch to represent each song. The album on it's own is great, but with the photos as well, it adds depth and interest to the music (although i'd guess you'd say only IMO). For those of us that like to see more to a song than a simple melody, the move to digital only is very sad indeed. Same will eventually happen with books, which despite me not being a big reader, is even sadder.

[Steve P]

but why do you need to hold the photo's? what's wrong with seeing them on a website (which i'm sure is possible). just to clarify, i'm not totally against this. i have had your viewpoint before, and i do miss going into coda and picking up a couple cd's or the second hand vinyl shop. but how i get my music now doesn't dent my bank and i can get so much more. and it doesn't affect my experience of the music, which is what it's all about at the end of the day.

e-readers and kindle or whatever they are called are ridiculous, i agree with that.