Cultseeker Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 You see, that's something. Not as good as making them free in the first place, but that makes me respect them a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Nora XXVI Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Ok then, must be your disliking for myself and Cultseeker then. Pearl Jam being a vehicle for this dislike perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cultseeker Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Not really, they were still on sale at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogal Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 I think everyone is forgetting a major point in the Livejamgate debate... While Pearl Jam, as individuals, may well be the second coming of Jesus Christ Himself and may well end world poverty by encouraging us all to recycle our tissues, they remain effectively controlled by a record company. Namely, that is Sony, possibly the biggest music publisher in the world. Now, no matter how much Mr Vedder and his crew may have wanted to release albums for the good of all mankind, a record company will NEVER release something that doesn't pay for itself and then some. They could cry, stamp their feet, anything, but Sony would never fork out cash unless they thought it was coming back to them, which is exactly what the live albums did. It's naive to think Sony would have patted the Jammers on the back and gone "sure lads, we'll pay to produce millions of albums and make no money out of it at all...". Not gonna happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymunkey Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 But buying them was not mandatory. It was still a choice for fans. A choice that this fan was very happy about. How is that profiteering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivavu Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 SONY HALTS PEARL JAM FREEBIE PLANS Pearl Jam have run into strife with Sony Music over a CD giveaway campaign in the US... Pearl Jam's plans to give US fans a free live album as a gift accompanying a new video have been stonewalled by Sony Music. The CD, recorded on their recent Australian tour, was to accompany some 50,000 copies of Single Video Theory, a video of the band shot in their rehearsal rooms in Seattle. The release of the CD was organised through American record chain Best Buy, independently of the band's label, Epic. According to US website Ticketmaster, the CD was supposed to accompany the videos on sale from yesterday (Tuesday, August 4). The website quoted a story from The Minneapolis Star Tribune which said the band had negotiated directly with Best Buy in the distribution of the CD. The CD was advertised heavily in press. But Sony lawyers intervened and told the record chain that they had to return any CDs to the manufacturer. It is understood the live recording had been broadcast in Australia on the radio earlier in the year and was being distributed there. Epic, however, does not want the album distributed in the USA. Meanwhile, the video Single Video Theory is to be released in the UK in October. A Pearl Jam spokesperson said the video showed the band in their Seattle rehearsal rooms and "rattling through 'Yield'.There's a bit of interview footage as well." He added the band's unfinalised plans to visit the UK were looking "more unlikely every day". So far the band have played Australasia and are working their way through the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Nora XXVI Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 It was still a choice for fans. A choice that this fan was very happy about. How is that profiteering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cultseeker Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 While Pearl Jam, as individuals, may well be the second coming of Jesus Christ Himself and may well end world poverty by encouraging us all to recycle our tissues, they remain effectively controlled by a record company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogal Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 SONY HALTS PEARL JAM FREEBIE PLANS Pearl Jam have run into strife with Sony Music over a CD giveaway campaign in the US... Pearl Jam's plans to give US fans a free live album as a gift accompanying a new video have been stonewalled by Sony Music. The CD, recorded on their recent Australian tour, was to accompany some 50,000 copies of Single Video Theory, a video of the band shot in their rehearsal rooms in Seattle. The release of the CD was organised through American record chain Best Buy, independently of the band's label, Epic. According to US website Ticketmaster, the CD was supposed to accompany the videos on sale from yesterday (Tuesday, August 4). The website quoted a story from The Minneapolis Star Tribune which said the band had negotiated directly with Best Buy in the distribution of the CD. The CD was advertised heavily in press. But Sony lawyers intervened and told the record chain that they had to return any CDs to the manufacturer. It is understood the live recording had been broadcast in Australia on the radio earlier in the year and was being distributed there. Epic, however, does not want the album distributed in the USA. Meanwhile, the video Single Video Theory is to be released in the UK in October. A Pearl Jam spokesperson said the video showed the band in their Seattle rehearsal rooms and "rattling through 'Yield'.There's a bit of interview footage as well." He added the band's unfinalised plans to visit the UK were looking "more unlikely every day". So far the band have played Australasia and are working their way through the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivavu Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 I thank yaw, my case, rested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cultseeker Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Because, in this day and age, there's no reason to sell "official bootlegs" OTHER than to make a profit. Just allow soundboard/crowd recordings, which are just as good, and are free. Also, the 72 bootlegs are still on iTunes for 79p per song. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogal Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 (edited) As this is the fate of every band, then I think that we can brush that element aside really. Rather a comparison to other bands would maybe reveal their ethic somewhat better. Edited August 16, 2006 by pogal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Nora XXVI Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Yeah, but what about an official CD. I collect, I don't want some downloaded thing. I want quality that comes from a credible source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cultseeker Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 And that's why you're exactly the kind of mark that PJ/Sony are targeting! How's it feel to be a demographic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulaviki Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 (edited) So all this talk of them notmaking money etc etc is, actually, all crap really. They ae record company bitches, just like everyone else. For better or worse. Edited August 16, 2006 by Paulaviki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivavu Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Pearl Jam are not "record company bitches" at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cultseeker Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Yes, but no other band is being hailed as the saviour of planet earth... Merely Pearl Jam. Who aren't, not really, because Sony would never allow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkymunkey Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Pearl Jam are not "record company bitches" at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pinback Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 No no. You're not having that Nora. You said, to which we have argued against, that: So less of the duplicity please. And Pinback was doing that yesterday too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivavu Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 I'm getting sick of all that rubbish though. No one's saying that, people are just inferring it. Pearl Jam have a clearly good and meritable ethic which can be naive at times, but no one has heralded them as saviours of anything. Great rock band with some remarkable ethics. They deserve some credit for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogal Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 I'm getting sick of all that rubbish though. No one's saying that, people are just inferring it. Pearl Jam have a clearly good and meritable ethic which can be naive at times, but no one has heralded them as saviours of anything. Great rock band with some remarkable ethics. They deserve some credit for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cultseeker Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 I was waiting for this to turn into a socialist analysis. Sorry guys, but I f**king hate socialist ideology with a passion so I'm outta here for now. 9 days till PJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivavu Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Pearl Jam split from Sony Records after 10+ years under contract, and so Sony cashed in by releasing a 2 Disc greatest hits titled "Rearviewmirror". After many dubbed PJs split from the money grabbing record company, they signed a contract with J Records, an affiliate of Sony, showing that it's difficult to be a big band without the support of a big company these days. However, their music is now more independent and free from constraint, and the band have total control over their music and speed of how they do things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cultseeker Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 I object to that - I made a gag about the spacetime continuum unraveling if it was discovered that PJ were in the game to make money. In my very next post I pointed out it was a gag at the expense of the sanctimonious comments concerning PJ and their 'ethos'. I also pointed out that I don't care how many bootlegs they release and that I like good quality live recordings, and that I appreciate that they've done a lot for charidee. How is this duplicitous? Check you've got the right ammo before you get the blunderbuss out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pogal Posted August 16, 2006 Report Share Posted August 16, 2006 Pearl Jam split from Sony Records after 10+ years under contract, and so Sony cashed in by releasing a 2 Disc greatest hits titled "Rearviewmirror". After many dubbed PJs split from the money grabbing record company, they signed a contract with J Records, an affiliate of Sony, showing that it's difficult to be a big band without the support of a big company these days. However, their music is now more independent and free from constraint, and the band have total control over their music and speed of how they do things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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