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[mrtourette]

that's not always the case.

There are all kinds of shenigans that go on with who gets songwriting credits due to it being where the money is. I wrote a song once with a friend of mine, and an Italian singer (somehow?) got hold of it, and I was told that if I wanted her to record it, she'd have to have a songwriting credit on it. A bit like Elvis getting a credit for Heartbreak Hotel

except Heartbreak Hotel is amazing!

[Guest]

Also the drummer from Razorlight writing their big song and the singer saying he'd only record it if he got a songwriting credit. HEY DRUMMER, YOU EITHER GET HALF A SONGWRIITNG CREDIT AND HALF THE MONEY OR NO SONG AND NO MONEY, YOU CHOOSE.

But anyway that example and yours are the opposite of what we're talking about. You're talking about someone getting a credit they didn't earn for other reasons, we're talking about a guy not getting credit that he (allegedly) did earn.

[russycarps]

there is no reason at all for bowie not to have given rodgers a writing credit on lets dance though. None. At that stage of his career what difference would it have made?

plus he gave a writing credit to iggy pop on china girl on the same album, so he obviously isnt that arsed about it.

oh and btw, surviving cancer doesnt mean you can claim other peoples songs.

I saw kylie duet with nick cave a few months back. At the end she didnt try and take credit for the song just because she beat breast cancer.

[Guest]

I have no idea how much Nile Rodgers contributed to Bowie's songs. I'm just mulling over the complications of such situations.

[russycarps]

I have no idea how much Nile Rodgers contributed to Bowie's songs. I'm just mulling over the complications of such situations.

[Guest]

do you think hendrix should get a writing credit for all along the watchtower?

[russycarps]

not really, no

[Wooderson]

there is no reason at all for bowie not to have given rodgers a writing credit on lets dance though. None. At that stage of his career what difference would it have made?

plus he gave a writing credit to iggy pop on china girl on the same album, so he obviously isnt that arsed about it.

oh and btw, surviving cancer doesnt mean you can claim other peoples songs.

I saw kylie duet with nick cave a few months back. At the end she didnt try and take credit for the song just because she beat breast cancer.

[Guest]

then rodgers doesnt deserve one for lets dance.

bowie took a load of already written songs to rodgers, who then helped bowie make them inferior to the original version.

whereas bowie sat down with iggy pop in berlin, took a load of heroin and wrote china girl together while jerking off over the chinese girl iggy pop was infatuated with. Bowie subsequently took it to rodgers to make it worse a few years later.

It's clear to me who deserves the writing credit, and who deserves nothing but our contempt.

Edited January 29, 2014 by tonyblair

[mrtourette]

I had moved on from whether Rodgers should have a credit or not, and was talking about the complications involved.

Haven't we already established that Nile didn't say he wrote it, and just felt that because of his contribution - which can't be denied - he feels he was a part of the creative process.

And he was

Edited January 29, 2014 by mrtourette

[CaledonianGonzo]

Having watched the clip of Let's Dance last night, Rodgers makes no reference at all to having written it.

So. Um. What are we talking about again?

[incident]

I think it comes form the line 'here's another one of my songs' when introducing it that has annoyed Russy. What did he mean by that? Who knows, but arguing about it is fun.

[Guest]

haha... just watched it, and it's the drummer who says "this is one of your songs"

he then goes on to kill the song stone cold dead, with one of the most awful vocals ever... "come on jump jump jump say yeah say yeah say whoop whoop"

there are 3 things great about that song; the groove, which they just about nailed, the vocal which was awful, and the lead guitar, which was non existent.

it's bleedin' 'orrible

Edited January 29, 2014 by tonyblair

[MEGABOWL]

"We Are Family" was played by one of its authors at Glasters and I was there to sing along.

Haters gotta hate, but it sounded wonderful.

[russycarps]

haha... just watched it, and it's the drummer who says "this is one of your songs"

he then goes on to kill the song stone cold dead, with one of the most awful vocals ever... "come on jump jump jump say yeah say yeah say whoop whoop"

there are 3 things great about that song; the groove, which they just about nailed, the vocal which was awful, and the lead guitar, which was non existent.

it's bleedin' 'orrible

[CaledonianGonzo]

There are no depths to which this rat wont stoop.

[mrtourette]

I heard Nile Rogers claim he invented the question mark.

[Guest]

there was definitely a bit of that gig where he said they were his songs. There's no denying it as we all had virtually this exactl same argument about it 6 months ago! maybe it was an interview with him before the hyde park gig actually. But it definitely happened.

What irks me is that people will have walked away from that gig thinking that he actually wrote all those songs. Considering your stance on people stealing artists creative work (in that prince thread) I am surprised at your view on this.

Edited January 29, 2014 by tonyblair

[Wooderson]

Best thread on eFests.

[russycarps]

There are no depths to which this rat wont stoop.

[Guest]

Clearly brainwashed/duped by rodgers.

I imagine backstage is like a scientology convention, with rodgers drumming it into everyone that they ARE his songs. He DID write them.

[mrtourette]

Clearly brainwashed/duped by rodgers.

I imagine backstage is like a scientology convention, with rodgers drumming it into everyone that they ARE his songs. He DID write them.

[Wooderson]

He DID write them.

Edited January 29, 2014 by Wooderson

[mrtourette]

He co-wrote some of them and produced (but didn't write) some of them. I think everyone agrees with that.

[Wooderson]

He co-wrote some of them and produced (but didn't write) some of them. I think everyone agrees with that.