Oasis

[Ed209]

I see Britpop more as cultural movement rather than just the music. It was the art, the films, the drugs, the Spice Girls, Chris fucking Evans, Zig and Zag. All that stuff.

[russycarps]

I see Britpop more as cultural movement rather than just the music. It was the art, the films, the drugs, the Spice Girls, Chris fucking Evans, Zig and Zag. All that stuff.

[mrtourette]

I see Britpop more as cultural movement rather than just the music. It was the art, the films, the drugs, the Spice Girls, Chris fucking Evans, Zig and Zag. All that stuff.

[Ed209]

leisure was 1991...

pulp is the exception that proves the rule

[russycarps]

fair enough. thought it was late eighties.

err.. Pulp!!

[Wooderson]

a kind of "this is as good as we're going to get (because we don't know any better than accepting what NME tells us) so we might as well make the most of it" sort of thing?

[Guest]

Oasis' (Noel's) singular achievement was recognising the huge latent need for the broadest form of generic rock in the UK in 1993/1994. You and I might have been a little more nuanced in our appreciation/approach to new music, but Oasis were never aiming to impress us Tony.

[russycarps]

I don't think they recognised a need at all. I think Noel wanted to form a band, and that's what it sounded like. For some unfathomable reason, squillions of punters adored it.

I know, at the time, there was a certain apparent edge to them, but, as many seem to agree, it didn't have a particularly long shelf-life. If it had been any good, so many, including people who loved them, wouldn't be admitting that they don't like them much any more.

Edited October 29, 2013 by russycarps

[Wooderson]

Maybe Noel didnt consciously recognise that (in a way unlike all other bands of the era) the songs he was writing were immediate and unpretentious and blandly aspirational in a manner that would appeal to many, many millions in a profound way... but Alan McGee did. Someone close to the band recognised early on their potential appeal to the untapped hordes. And this was capitalised upon without question.

I think he went out of his way to develop these inoffensive escapist tunes - thats who he is. The formula worked and was repeated until the generation who's imagination they captured initially grew up and moved on. That took 15 years.

[CaledonianGonzo]

broadest form of generic rock

[Wooderson]

Noel himself has spoken of the writing process Russy. He knew what he was doing. He has a manipulative streak. Nae doubts.

[Wooderson]

Doesn't sound too different from:

[The Nal]

I agree with all of this. They just got really lucky that they came along at the same time as loads of other crappy things at that time. "Lads mags" and all that crap. The oasis "attitude" fitted into that perfectly. Songs about booze and cigarettes. Ohhhh so manly!

Edited October 29, 2013 by The Nal

[russycarps]

Noel himself has spoken of the writing process Russy. He knew what he was doing. He has a manipulative streak. Nae doubts.

[CaledonianGonzo]

Am I celebrating his brand of music? No. Do I recognise their significance culturally? Absolutely.

If Oasis had split up after the second record the roar of approval for their return from this thread would be terrifying.

Edited October 29, 2013 by CaledonianGonzo

[russycarps]

A lot of teenagers then too. The baby boomers kids. Throw that in with the abandonment of religion and a sexual revolution, The Word, "Ladettes" like Van Outen, Zoe Ball and that one that Giggsy smacked about and its a huge cultural change. Oasis seemed to represent that for a while. A very short while mind you.

Amazing the amount of publicity sticking two fingers up at a camera will get you. But the words in the songs were clear and easy to sing to when you were pissed up. Basic stuff. What a lot of teenagers look for in music really.

But once we grew up they became less relevant. Because they didn't grow up with us.

[russycarps]

I guess the question is whether you feel that their 'cultural significance' was positive or - on the whole - detrimental to the musical landscape. I'm not really convinced that they improved matters - rather, for a short time at least, what developed in the wake of their success was the stagnating, suffocating conservatism of ladrock, dadrock and 'real' music.

[The Nal]

I guess the question is whether you feel that their 'cultural significance' was positive or - on the whole - detrimental to the musical landscape. I'm not really convinced that they improved matters - rather, for a short time at least, what developed in the wake of their success was the stagnating, suffocating conservatism of ladrock, dadrock and 'real' music.

[CaledonianGonzo]

I dunno, you cant blame oasis for other bands not being able to make good music can you?

[Wooderson]

I guess the question is whether you feel that their 'cultural significance' was positive or - on the whole - detrimental to the musical landscape. I'm not really convinced that they improved matters - rather, for a short time at least, what developed in the wake of their success was the stagnating, suffocating conservatism of ladrock, dadrock and 'real' music.

[Wooderson]

It's obviously not the end of the world, but it would have been nice if, instead of Oasis becoming massive there was some sort of Bowie equivalent who pushed the windows open a bit wider, who looked forward rather than backwards and managed to inspire successors a bit more radical than the likes of The Vaccines or Viva Brother.

[The Nal]

You can, perhaps, blame them for a climate where identikit bowlcutted goons in parkas think that because they can string three chords together that they're the future of music.

It's obviously not the end of the world, but it would have been nice if, instead of Oasis becoming massive there was some sort of Bowie equivalent who pushed the windows open a bit wider, who looked forward rather than backwards and managed to inspire successors a bit more radical than the likes of The Vaccines or Viva Brother.

Edited October 29, 2013 by The Nal

[Wooderson]

Shit yeh. Howlett indirectly gave us Pendulum. And then incorporated some of their sound back into his own. Musical version of the Human Centipede.

[The Nal]

Pendulum at Glasto 2011 was a low point in humanity. Everyone involved needs to hang their head in shame. The band, the sound guys, Eavis, the crowd, the bar staff, the guys working the stalls, the police, people who left the gig, people who were at other gigs on site, the BBC, the locals. Everyone.

We needed Mario Savio to jump on stage and recite this and put a stop to the whole thing.

"Ah here, fuck this....................gimme the mic"

Edited October 29, 2013 by The Nal

[Ed209]

Pendulum at Glasto 2011 was a low point in humanity. Everyone involved needs to hang their head in shame. The band, the sound guys, Eavis, the crowd, the bar staff, the guys working the stalls, the police, people who left the gig, people who were at other gigs on site, the BBC, the locals. Everyone.

We needed Mario Savio to jump on stage and recite this and put a stop to the whole thing.

"Ah here, fuck this....................gimme the mic"