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[Sabcully]

Here it is:

Looks like the same thing?

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[andyr1uk]

I understand the principal of this but it never works out that way. There are always underhand tactics used with ticket sales. Lots of people buy tickets who have no intention of using them now to every gig/festival going so that they can sell them on for an inflated price. I have always bought my tickets through the proper process but as desperate as I am and judging by the way the genral sale went a couple of weeks ago, I dont rate my chances very highly of getting a ticket come the resale day. And if I dont go I will be properly gutted. At this moment in time I would pay a bit more just to know that I am going.

[**claire**]

Seems a bit unfair on the folk who don't know these two girls and are having to take their chances with the rest of the folk who didn't get a ticket on T-Day.

Me and my gf were amongst the lucky ones on T-Day, so it doesn't affect us. But if these two girls are doing this then chances are they aren't alone, and if there's a group of people selling tickets that should be going into the resale for £400 a go then I would have thought that those on here who are waiting on the resale would be pretty pissed off to hear that.

[HRER]

Seems a bit unfair on the folk who don't know these two girls and are having to take their chances with the rest of the folk who didn't get a ticket on T-Day.

Me and my gf were amongst the lucky ones on T-Day, so it doesn't affect us. But if these two girls are doing this then chances are they aren't alone, and if there's a group of people selling tickets that should be going into the resale for £400 a go then I would have thought that those on here who are waiting on the resale would be pretty pissed off to hear that.

[**claire**]

I can't carry on reading this thread - the fact that I've got no tickets is still a bit raw for me to hear about people getting their hands on tickets via means not accessible to the rest of us!

[Sabcully]

Totally agree with Jameshunt's principles but I also have the same feeling as Ads19080! In a ideal world this wouldnt go on but we are not, so supply and demand comes into it. I even tried to purchase Glamping package for 2k for 2 of us and it was sold out. So £400 each isnt too bad....not perfect! But a glasto fan without a ticket is desperate

[mike46]

In fairness my mate was only able to get his ticket (or at least that's what he told us) early so I assumed they would have a list of registrations and employees.

[Jie Bie]

I agree its unfair and wrong, but at the same time theres a few close mates who didnt get tickets and im putting myself in their position, I dont think id appreciated someone screwing up probably the best chance they might get of getting a ticket. I'd probably do the same rather than risk the resales, the tickets as I said in my OP are 100% legit the girls are friends of friends so its not as if its some random selling them.

[jameshunt]

I understand the principal of this but it never works out that way.

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[ads1980]

We are all desperate to go and I would ertainly pay extra. I also like andyr1uk have looked at hospitality packages. Glastonbury is the best festival going. It always has been and always will be. If anyone can put me in touch with some tickets I would be very interested.

[HRER]

Its 100% wrong, and it really did get under my skin this morning when I heard they'd had the cheek to ask for £400 per ticket

It doesnt bother me in the slightest if they get sacked, the only concern as ive said before is that a few close mates who ive gone to Glastonbury with for the best part of 10 years didnt get a ticket so they are considering buying them off these two.

[mrtourette]

As long as there is a market for stolen bikes, or touted tickets, you are quite correct. If everyone refused to buy stolen property, or touted tickets, then thefts etc. would decrease.

Edited October 15, 2012 by mrtourette

[Sabcully]

We are all desperate to go and I would ertainly pay extra. I also like andyr1uk have looked at hospitality packages. Glastonbury is the best festival going. It always has been and always will be. If anyone can put me in touch with some tickets I would be very interested.

[ads1980]

Unfortunately it's (human) nature to want to get one over on others, so no matter how unified you tried to be in not buying touted tickets someone will always break ranks for the advantage of getting a ticket ahead of someone else and not give a fuck about the consequences of shitting on the group. We can bemoan it all we like but it always has and always will be the case.

I'm not saying that ads1980 is shitting on the group or being out of order trying to tout a ticket, it's unreasonable to try and expect him to behave differently to others and/or make a stand, but trying to arrange any kind of mass boycott will have the same problems - someone will be tempted and it will fall apart. Whether it's ticket prices or the cost of a stolen bike, the deal will be made more and more tempting until someone grabs it, and then you're back to square one.

[ads1980]

Anymore news on this? I am not holding my breath on an apology from seetickets and an official resale taking place very shortly!

[mrtourette]

Where do you draw the line? I mean, there was a post on here giving IP addresses and instructions on how to point directly at the seetickets server. I didnt know that before hand so I was at a disadvantage to all those that used the system whilst I was just pressing F5 and getting no where. Now, I am willing to buy a ticket to go to the greatest festival going and pay a bit more for it.

[Sketchead]

This is a very good point, the host file thing was hardly fair. The right thing to do would have been to report it straight away to seetickets & not broadcast it to the world.

Unfortunately Its dog eat dog, you gotta do whatever you have to do to get there!

[andyr1uk]

Hell yeah if I saw the host glitch I would of been all over it!! So thats why Im wanting tickets at more than I expected to pay! If I was offered tickets (standard) at 350-400 Id take them, aswell as hospitality ones upto 500-600!!

[ads1980]

Like that was ever going to happen. If you saw it you'd have gone for it!

[Sabcully]

And I would have done too. Thats the point I was making about buying a touted ticket. Yes the system sucks but at the end of the day, people will do whatever they can to get a ticket.

[mrtourette]

Buying a ticket from See, be it via directing to a less busy server, is not the same as buying touted tickets for £400. The people who got a ticket in the first hour still bought the ticket through the official channel at the asking price of £205 and did not support touts.

[eFestivals]

Dodgy servers, dodgy seetickets employees - I cant see a great deal of difference. Its just taking advantage of flaws in the ticketing system.

Nope.

One is a valid ticket buying method, with no rules or restrictions saying it can not or should not be done.

The other is not. The other is ticket touting.

[Sabcully]

I don't think anyone said it was the same regarding touting, more that the conversation had moved on to how much responsibility each person should have for trying to keep the playing field fair and just and whether or not it's reasonable to expect them to just look after #1. If you're going to accuse someone buying a second hand ticket at an inflated price of being anti-Glasto and fostering a "me first, fuck you" attitude then you could (if you wanted to take the point and run with it) apply the same to those who took advantage of the short cut without any concern about whether it was fair or not.

I wouldn't expect either party to stop what they're doing and give up the opportunity because it doesn't seem fair, but I think it's a bit harsh to expect one to have a conscience and not the other (even if one does fuel the touting fire and the other appears to be 'victimless').

[Sabcully]

It is a valid method, I agree, though that doesn't make it any fairer on people that were unaware of it and potentially didn't get a ticket as a result of it. Its the same ball park.

[eFestivals]

I would have been gutted had I not got a ticket with so many happy HOSTS hacking customers.

while I understand that - the ticketless are always unhappy - there's still nothing wrong about having used the hosts hack.

There was a ticketing system set up to sell tickets via the use of a couple of IP addresses. The *only* thing that the hosts file hack did was access that ticketing system via one of the IP addresses that that ticketing system used.

There was no 'hole' in the ticketing system. There was an error in the DNS entries that are used to get your request for that ticketing system to that ticketing system. The hosts hack merely worked around that DNS error until such time as the error was fixed.

And while using that hosts hack got some people to the ticketing system to buy their tickets quicker than they might have otherwise got there, there'll also be some people who didn't pick up on the DNS error having been fixed, and who then continued with the hosts hack in place and so lessened their chances of a ticket by doing so - so it probably evened out.