General News Discussion

[lost]

always good to get to the bottom of things. The country is broke because the average public sector worker has the mental capacity of a deeply retarded pensioner and so needs to be treat as such.

[hot_ice]

i wouldnt say the average, i would say the middle to higher management levels have no idea, set up systems, which basically f**k over the staff at the lower levels

[Guest]

A responsibility dictated where ? There isn't any morality in business...

[eFestivals]

always good to get to the bottom of things. The country is broke because the average public sector worker has the mental capacity of a deeply retarded pensioner and so needs to be treat as such.

yep, and those private sector bankers are worth their weight in gold.

[lost]

yep, and those private sector bankers are worth their weight in gold.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

I think if Government could do better at dealing with the private sector then it could be really good. PPI in principle wasn't a terrible idea, it was quite a good one, but the way the government have done it / handled as made it a disaster.

Which only shows they shouldn't bother because they aren't good enough. It would be better to just keep them public as possible.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

Yeah but we are not talking about old ladys... We are talking about the government and private companies. Don't take the Neil road it will just mean we can't have a grown up debate.

[hot_ice]

Haha, yeah maybe the old lady wasn't such a good example. The point I was trying to make was, if the government are so unfit for purpose, does that make it alright to exploit them and the taxpayer?

Edited February 1, 2013 by hot_ice

[eFestivals]

difference being if they are incompetent their businesses SHOULD be allowed to go under, sadly only 3 politicians agreed with me

I don't much disagree, tho perhaps not for the same reasons.

The same problem exists with each at the end of the day - people with their hands in the till making sure they keep their hands in the till. It's all about a cosy little self-serving club and nothing about a free democracy and free (tho regulated) markets.

Just about all the senior people in charge for the bank meltdown now have paid govt positions of one type or another, for example. No rewards for failure.

Senior civil service jobs have almost-been in the hands of the same families for generations. A true meritocracy.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

the government with all its so called "expertise" should have enough skills that it doesn't get exploit by business, and the fact that it does, cant be all the fault of business industry

[eFestivals]

PPI in principle wasn't a terrible idea, it was quite a good one, but the way the government have done it / handled as made it a disaster.

How wasn't it a terrible idea? How is it anything but a terrible idea to have twice the costs for all of the same risks?

[eFestivals]

It's not, but it doesn't make it right for them to do it, when it just ends up screwing the tax payer.

it doesn't make it right to do it whoever might be getting screwed.

Just because you can do something is not a reason to definitely do it.

Conning someone is conning someone, no matter how that might be dressed up. And that is always wrong, unless someone is able to tell me why it's not....?

[eFestivals]

Yup...

The mood from some here seems to be its ok for government to be shit because business shouldn't try to make money out of them... Its laughable and juvenile...

then it's OK for me to sell something to your granny.

Go on, give me her address.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

it doesn't make it right to do it whoever might be getting screwed.

Just because you can do something is not a reason to definitely do it.

Conning someone is conning someone, no matter how that might be dressed up. And that is always wrong, unless someone is able to tell me why it's not....?

[hot_ice]

then it's OK for me to sell something to your granny.

Go on, give me her address.

[eFestivals]

She would kick your arse Neil... She doesn't like commies much

but she wouldn't get commie Neil, she'd be getting free-market Neil, who would be aiming to rip her off cos there's nothing wrong with a business getting the best deal for itself. And with your approval too.

[eFestivals]

not sure why your comparing a granny to government?

the main gist of my arguement is that the government should have enough whereabouts to understand the risks of contracts and business dealings, something i wouldnt expect a a granny to have,

they're both free to get the necessary advice. They're both fair game for a business looking to maximise profits.

Or are there different rules for some businesses? I must have missed that bit of the free-market manual.

Edited February 1, 2013 by eFestivals

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

You keep saying its a con... Like its the normal case. As if everyone the government loses money its down to a con. When probably the complete opposite is true.

[hot_ice]

they're both free to get the necessary advice. They're both fair game for a business looking to maximise profits.

Or are there different rules for some businesses? I must have missed that bit of the free-market manual.

[eFestivals]

Loving the ageism as well As if all grannies are as fucking useless as our government

Classy...

I was giving you the right idea by playing upon the stereotypical idea of a grannie being vulnerable to conmen.

And yet a conman is merely a business that is maximising profit. The only difference in method of operation is who it is operated on.

[eFestivals]

Even then it would depend on the type of product etc. The consumer has far more rights and protections than a business or government would have.

Financial services being a great example.

Hence why is was resting going down to his level of madness. Its pointless to compare grannies with business. Truly barmy.

It's not, not at all.

If the salesman knows he's ripping off the customer, that's the same if he's doing it to govt, a business, a grannie, or you.

Edited February 1, 2013 by eFestivals

[hot_ice]

Even then it would depend on the type of product etc. The consumer has far more rights and protections than a business or government would have.

Financial services being a great example.

Hence why is was resting going down to his level of madness. Its pointless to compare grannies with business. Truly barmy.

[eFestivals]

There are a whole host of extra protections for a consumer over a business. If you don't know this then thats only your failure to understand the realities of law.

There's the law, and then there's what's right.

How can the exact same thing - knowing that you're ripping off the customer - sometimes be right and sometimes be wrong?

[lost]

There's the law, and then there's what's right.

How can the exact same thing - knowing that you're ripping off the customer - sometimes be right and sometimes be wrong?

[eFestivals]

I'd say ripping off is subjective. Most would believe they are worth those rates its up to the customer to find out they are expensive compared to the rest of the market

in which case - by the same morality - it's fine to scam a granny.