No Muse?

[metallimuse]

Well, that's what I mean - "Exogenesis: Symphony Pt.........." *snores*

What kind of self-absorbed muso w*nker would put terminology from classical music as a suffix to any rock song - as if anybody who isn't trying to be an intellectual gives a flying f**k - would think doing such a thing is a good idea? We're talking 'Close to the Edge' by Yes here - this is proper Prog. Rock territory, and let me say, I'd rather be in Moss Side than the world Muse are trying to re-discover because there's no excuse for that sort of excess in the world of music.

[RichieParf]

Honestly though, everything they do is just so bloody unneccesary, and to only make things worse, to top it all off they roll in a f**king symphony orchestra? The only thing worse than an orchestra in Rock music is bagpipes, and you can rest assured that Matt Bellamy will move any mountain he can to put them into a song if it means that it evokes images of some Highland scene of blue-painted Smurf warriors attempting to behead immortals - because that's the sort of pretentious sod he is.

[sifi]

Soul, dear boy, is being able to sit down in a studio and not be able to finish singing your own lyrics because of how painful they are. Soul is being able to convey all of your innermost personal feelings into a form of expression - not in the hope that people join you in a good old fashioned singalong but because you're trying to get them out of your own personal Hell. Soul is being able to stand up in front of your mates and play 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' for the first time, smiling the whole way through.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

I don't think music should be basic and raw, I just think that it should have some heart and soul - and if anything, a raw and basic approach to human emotion. Muse lack both heart and soul in equal measure, and I yearn for a day when they play some music without the bombast and histrionics they supply to their bating audience of pseudo-intellectuals and students, all the while veiling their mediocrity with dramatic light shows and gimmicky stage set-ups. Guitar solos tire me. Piano solos tire me. Extravagant pyrotechnics tire me...

Muse bore the living f**k out of me because... well, since the birth of Rock and Roll there has been a band like them around to wreck it with their over-saturated, over-produced bullshit. The same sort of people have been pissing about in the world of rock music since the stone age and I'm sick to death of it, frankly. I hate the way they process music by filtering through a sieve of pretentiousness and bombast because like I said, if a band feels that it's a necessity to enhance the experience of their live performance with as many superficial elements as Muse do, all it serves to do is show the level they will go to distract you from the fact that their music is shit. Nobody doubts their intelligence, nobody doubts their abilities, but the way Matt Bellamy uses both makes him a cold, calculated, meticulous and above all else 'careful' muso c**t.

I don't like Muse. You might, and that's absolutely fine, but I don't. They're a shit band.

[sifi]

I'm not a huge fan. To the extent that I watched the Pet Shop Boys at Glasto last year when they were on. And had a ball, to be fair.

I'd like to understand what you mean by over-produced bullshit, btw. I love my wall of sound and all that.

Edited January 18, 2011 by sifi

[Dave The Hedgehog]

I'm not a huge fan. To the extent that I watched the Pet Shop Boys at Glasto last year when they were on. And had a ball, to be fair.

[j-j-j-j-joe!]

I don't think music should be basic and raw, I just think that it should have some heart and soul - and if anything, a raw and basic approach to human emotion. Muse lack both heart and soul in equal measure, and I yearn for a day when they play some music without the bombast and histrionics they supply to their bating audience of pseudo-intellectuals and students, all the while veiling their mediocrity with dramatic light shows and gimmicky stage set-ups. Guitar solos tire me. Piano solos tire me. Extravagant pyrotechnics tire me...

Muse bore the living f**k out of me because... well, since the birth of Rock and Roll there has been a band like them around to wreck it with their over-saturated, over-produced bullshit. The same sort of people have been pissing about in the world of rock music since the stone age and I'm sick to death of it, frankly. I hate the way they process music by filtering through a sieve of pretentiousness and bombast because like I said, if a band feels that it's a necessity to enhance the experience of their live performance with as many superficial elements as Muse do, all it serves to do is show the level they will go to distract you from the fact that their music is shit. Nobody doubts their intelligence, nobody doubts their abilities, but the way Matt Bellamy uses both makes him a cold, calculated, meticulous and above all else 'careful' muso c**t.

I don't like Muse. You might, and that's absolutely fine, but I don't. They're a shit band.

[sifi]

Personally I'd hate to have Muse as a headliner at Leeds but on the other hand I'd just do what you did and visit a much smaller tent and watch a far better band.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

Thanks for putting everything I've ever felt about Muse into one coherent statement!I've been trying for ages, but usually forget where I started and where I'm supposed to be going.

Really, really hope they don't play.

[Yellow_Fellow]

Dave. Stop suggesting you know the emotion and heart that Muse put into their work (and may I remind you they are a band, not just Bellamy).

[Dave The Hedgehog]

Dave. Stop suggesting you know the emotion and heart that Muse put into their work (and may I remind you they are a band, not just Bellamy).

[darth haggis]

Bring it the f**k on.

Edited January 18, 2011 by darth haggis

[metallimuse]

You're welcome.

I just think - in this day and age, a band like Muse shouldn't exist. They just shouldn't. It's as if nobody learned anything from Punk, or somehow missed the point. Nobody is asking for every band out there to sound like The Clash but what we need more than ever in this day and age, today, is a band with the spirit - and Muse have none of that. All they do is take us backwards in time to an era when music was self-absorbed and awful, and instead of giving the generation of 15 to 30 year olds the optimism, dignity and self-belief that we all need more than any generation probably ever has, they stand on stage and light Wembley with the sun that shines out of their arses.

Nobody with any self-respect should like Muse. They're nothing more than a bunch of archaeologists digging up dirty relics from the past most people would rather have left under the ground where they quite rightly belong.

[beards]

[metallimuse]

Also why shouldn't a band like Muse exist in todays day and age?

We live in times where indie and rock bands are more concerned with their image and appealing to the top shop brigade.POP music has become so saturated with reality shows and instant artists that there is no depth.

Punk music has also become so full of people trying to define what's punk and what isn't that it has no identity.

Muse in my mind are the polar opposite to all this and actually care about the music and the quality of it.This is a good thing in my eyes.

[Leyser]

That's pretty funny. To add my quick opinion in to this debate I really have never liked Muse very much. To be honest I don't get the hype, but I respect their live performance, as well as what they have accomplished as being both talented and on the top of the world. I really can't see how anyone could say their show is boring regardless if they think it relies on a light show.

The bottom line is I really don't understand this debate of Dave vs. the World. Personally I don't give a f**k on what I, or anyone else enjoys musically.

However like you said, who needs a light show when you can enjoy 5 pages of a heated debate?

[Joe-]

I'd rather more Muse bands than JLS bands to be honest.

[metallimuse]

It's a message board,surely we should enter into debate and post.Dave has his opinion and that's cool and we have ours lol.Why not banter?

[rockinthecasbah]

It's interesting that you say you've seen them play live twice Dave, as until then I assumed you'd based your views on stuff you'd heard about them rather than actual experiences. So fair enough I guess. But the way you've described their live show, you'd assume that they played three actual songs, and spent the rest of the time messing about with guitar solos and the like, which just isn't the case. There are songs which have elements of prog, the aformentioned orchestral one (which I actually agree was a bit-self indulgent, and probably more fun to record than to listen to,)Knights of Cydonia, and possibly others. But for every song like that, I'd say they have two or three that are based around big riffs and choruses. You cited Smells Like Teen Spirit earlier, saying that being able to play that on guitar is what's 'real' about music (along those lines anyway.) Obviously they're different styles of music, but apart from being slightly more complex, I don't see why you couldn't have said exactly the same sort of thing about a song like Plug In Baby. You don't sell out stadiums unless you connect with people, and the majority of their material does that.

I can understand why people don't like them, but I'm just a bit unsure why you have such a strong dislike of them based on things that are only partially true at best.

Edited January 18, 2011 by rockinthecasbah

[lharris92]

i wouldn't mind muse, but well i'm not overly excited about them

[PaulDavis]

Saw them at V 08, worst gig I've been too, but if there's nothing else on I'll give them another go

[Dave The Hedgehog]

I can understand why people don't like them, but I'm just a bit unsure why you have such a strong dislike of them based on things that are only partially true at best.

[beards]

The bands you've mentioned can't have left much of a legacy if it's been easily destroyed by one band. I think you take yourself too seriously, muse are not the root of all evil, they're certainly not the best band in the world either. Each to their own I guess, muse were the first band I went to see and I loved it. I live in the next town on from teignmouth in Devon where muse grew up and there's a lot of pride around here that three lads from such a crappy seaside town have grown their band to the level it is at today. When muse played their seaside rendezvous homecoming gigs, the whole place was buzzing. I love muse, the latest two albums are not at the same standard as the earlier albums as far as my music taste goes, but they're definitely worthy of their headline status nonetheless. Nuetron star collision was a terrible song though.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

The bands you've mentioned can't have left much of a legacy if it's been easily destroyed by one band. I think you take yourself too seriously

[metallimuse]

What scene?Muse don't really fit anywhere.