Pogues Mcgogues Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 I'll summarise it for you. It really is £20m of debt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Well this is certainly heartbreaking for you? If it is £20m of debt and you'll be rejoicing, but was it not you who talked about the big money backers of Labour getting privelage. Well, I guess you were wrong, cause if there were big money backers then it wouldn't be £20m. So is it not £20m and you were right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 (edited) Here you go pogo... http://www.electoral...10_14-54-36.pdf Before the general election the party already owed out £16.5 million in loans falling due in one year and 8 million in the future... One would imagine that number easily hit £20 million during the course of an election if not worse. The accounts also seem to show that the party is managing to meet its obligations during 2009... In fact they reduced it from the 2008 level... But if membership / donations is falling then they could be in trouble in the future. aka Prescotts warning... That is if i am reading the accounts right. I only had a quick look. Edited August 24, 2010 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogues Mcgogues Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Seriously pogo, for a graduate you are a complete f**kin moron at times. You're too stupid to understand the information you were given, fair enough. But it just makes you look a dick when you make posts like this from a position where you have absolutely no understanding of the situation. Having big money backers and £20M of debt are NOT mutually exclusive things. What you should be worried about is if the coalition collapses in the next two years as Im sure you would like to see - how does labour fight a general election campaign with no money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 (edited) Ill informed surely, but not "a dick"? Edited August 24, 2010 by llcoolphil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogues Mcgogues Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Before we go any further, show me. Give me some verifiable figures and we can move this conversation on. eta In fact, show me some evidence for all these claims and we can move this conversation on. Because right now I have your word against the word of the former deputy leader and likely future treasurer and I think he has better informaton than you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Rise since May http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/13/labour-party-record-surge-membership Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogues Mcgogues Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 It's actualy commenting and advancing on an entirely different Guardian story. The link shows you. It also links to the Observer one, which is why I gave you that second link. I'll reply fully when I've had my dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 And no, again I repeat I AGREE WITH LORD PRESCOTT! IT'S NOT MY OPINION AGAINST HIS, IT'S JUST THAT YOU HAVE CHOOSEN TO TAKE A CERTAIN SIDE OF THE SPIN ON WHAT HE SAID. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 It's actualy commenting and advancing on an entirely different Guardian story. The link shows you. It also links to the Observer one, which is why I gave you that second link. I'll reply fully when I've had my dinner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogues Mcgogues Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 This what he wrote here http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/aug/19/labour-party-treasurer-change-john-prescott The only person I can see spinning this is you and your claims that it isn't really a £20M debt ( ) and that party membership is both rising and falling. At the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcoolphil Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 So Labour says one thing and Labour says another thing. Which one is right? The one that fits your agenda? Keeping in mind Prescott is running for a job position, he may want to spin things? Where as the Labour party have nothing to gain from lying, their membership figures are posted year on year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogues Mcgogues Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 The whole point being that labour is saying two contradictory things, I dont give a stuff which is right and what agenda might I have? It is also interesting to hear you suggest that one of its most senior members is spinning information to better himself. Though if it is spin, interesting that none of the leadership candidates have contradicted it. Or anyone else from the party come to think of it, seeing as John Prescott speaking as a senior official and the labour party are two very different things apparently. Moved on massively since losing the election, eh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogues Mcgogues Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 Actualy that last comments wrong. I admit it's a bit of a shambles the now (it happens when you don't have a proper leader yet). I'll admit the Labour party have a lot of debt. Not £20m. I'll admit membership up until this year has decreased. I know it is rising however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted August 24, 2010 Report Share Posted August 24, 2010 I'll admit the Labour party have a lot of debt. Not £20m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABun Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 membership went up by one last month - I joined! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogues Mcgogues Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 membership went up by one last month - I joined! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 How much debt is it then ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABun Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Realy? Ah that's good to hear! What was you reasoning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 So i can vote for Diane Abbott, can't bare the thought of a carbon copy of Blair in charge but i think i might have to suck it up. Not because Tony was a shit but because i want to see an actual left wing person have the labour party leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABun Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Do you think she is electable though ? I think the whole school thing has compromised her... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogues Mcgogues Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 So i can vote for Diane Abbott, can't bare the thought of a carbon copy of Blair in charge but i think i might have to suck it up. Not because Tony was a shit but because i want to see an actual left wing person have the labour party leadership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 (edited) I think shes the best option. I was listening to her on the radio the other day, and compared to the others, who just seem to be spouting what they think people want to hear, she sounds believable. get rid of trident and save all the money they're trying to save by scrimping and saving a few million here and there on public spending cuts Edited August 25, 2010 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 Emmmm, do you not need to be a member for a year to get voting rights? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pogues Mcgogues Posted August 25, 2010 Report Share Posted August 25, 2010 no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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