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  1. It’s a problem with the system that doesnt allow candidate replacement. However this may be good for labour, they may have lost anyway and can now say it was because they didn’t have a candidate. I’m sure Rochdale will come back in the next election.
  2. Probably just call themselves independent reform mp.
  3. If changing parties caused a by-election the MP would just unofficially switch and vote with the new party, it would make no practical difference.
  4. The reality is most of these won the seat because of their rosette and not individual talent. I suspect if everyone voted the way they wanted nothing would get done. If you want to vote how you choose stand as an independent and see how far you get.
  5. I know he went eventually, but what was the tipping point for Bercow? Must have been way more than 80.
  6. From memory no government ministers and no MPs from the opposition. If it stays this way Hoyle will be fine. I don’t think a coalition with SNP working with right wing Tory’s will be enough.
  7. Maybe if the SNP prioritised being productive instead of setting traps for labour the situation could have been avoided, but knowing what sells at home they chose to play politics.
  8. I think your overestimating the influence of the SNP.
  9. I think if the government and opposition are happy for him to stay in position, he stays in position. I doubt the SNP politicians are really that bothered, they just want something to scream about at home.
  10. SNP want to be able to write on their leaflets that the English parliament is rigged against them. I honestly don’t believe they have the power to get rid of a speaker.
  11. I dont have a clue where he stands in terms of parliamentary protocol, but if it’s just about SNP playing political games with no chance of influencing the situation, this seems sensible.
  12. It doesn’t seem the best use of parliamentary time. I think we know where the parties stand and also know it won’t have any impact on government policy or the conflict instead. It also looks like it won’t be as easy for the SNP to make political capital out of the conflict which was their main purpose last week.
  13. So is it contentious to say the SNP were using this tragic situation to try and gain political advantage?
  14. The motion could have been worded differently and still consistent with what they had been saying . Your not naive enough to think this wording just comes by random. The sulking to me shows where the priorities are. They are working with the right wingers because the speaker wouldn’t let them get one over their main rivals. Maybe they think it will look good on their election material if they can say they forced out the English speaker. I don’t think it is contentious to say the bill was aimed at causing difficulty for labour, that has been the view of every single political commentator I have heard. I think only the SNP have stated this is not the case! At the end of the day politicians play politics, I know in the past you say SNP didn’t, but when the kool aid wore off a bit I think you reversed that review. In terms of whose view is better/worse then that has to be discussed in the perspective that neither view has made any difference to governmental policy or what actually happens in terms of their being a ceasefire. At least labour are thinking ahead to a time where they may have some influence, I think SNP accept they have no influence so can say what they want.
  15. I think a lot more goes on behind closed doors than we realise. I suspect you have people lobbying the speaker all the time, it’s just you don’t hear about it. I have very little sympathy for the SNP MPs as they were attempting to use this tragic situation to their political advantage. Of course there is the argument that if the SNP want to use the deaths of people for their political advantage that’s their right under the democratic system they have in place.
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