Corbyn appearing on Pyramid!

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, Duncan Doughnuts said:

Maybe this is your descent towards madness Neil, and @waterfalls212434 is actually you!!!

no, I don't have the imagination to be that stupid.

[babyblade41]

I only saw the speech from the Other stage but had no choice but to listen.. pick me up if I'm wrong but I never heard him say anything about the Manchester and London atrocities just Grenfell tower fire.... if that was the case then my views are confirmed that he has used what happened at Grenfell as a political tool and that is vile, 

The chants from where I was wasn't very Corbyn friendly and it nearly back fired as the pro Corbyns were slightly outnumbered and got a bit cross when their messiah was being booed .

The track which came on after the recorded speech was "War what is it good for, absolutely nothing"   was changed to Corbs what is he good for , absolutely nothing " oops 

[babyblade41]

I haven't had a chance to verify the facts so hopefully you knowledgable people can pick it apart , I was sent to over the weekend

 

1. The block of flats was run not by the Council but by KCTMO. This body is made up of 8 TENANTS, 4 councilors and 3 independent members.
2 Labour hold the seat that the block is situated in.
3 Labour run the London Council who manage the under funded London Fire Service
4 Emma Coad the sitting Labour MP for that ward also sat on the KCTMO.
5 The advice to stay put which Sadiq Khan has been so vocal about was given by the London Fire Service.
6 The decision to change contractors during the refurb was made by KCTMO.
7 The decision not to spend an additional £138k on fitting sprinklers was again KCTMO.
8 The decision to create ALMO organisation such as the KCTMO was made under the Right To Manage legislation passed in 2002 
as part of the Commonhold and Leasehold Reform Act.
9 This was put in place to give leaseholders and tenants a greater say and the ability to self manage, which in some circumstances has clearly proven to be flawed.
10 Which Govt was in a charge when this law was passed? It was Labour.
11 Sadiq Khan as mayor of London Produced a report to say that the fire service did not need further funding.
12 Emma Coad elected Labour MP was on the board of the Tenant Management group who are being accused of not listening to tenants.
It's a modern lynch mob encouraged by bitter Labour MPs who having lost a close election want to destroy an elected government for a chance of a second election."

 

 

 

[DeanoL]

23 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

I haven't had a chance to verify the facts so hopefully you knowledgable people can pick it apart , I was sent to over the weekend

 

1. The block of flats was run not by the Council but by KCTMO. This body is made up of 8 TENANTS, 4 councilors and 3 independent members.
2 Labour hold the seat that the block is situated in.
3 Labour run the London Council who manage the under funded London Fire Service
4 Emma Coad the sitting Labour MP for that ward also sat on the KCTMO.
5 The advice to stay put which Sadiq Khan has been so vocal about was given by the London Fire Service.
6 The decision to change contractors during the refurb was made by KCTMO.
7 The decision not to spend an additional £138k on fitting sprinklers was again KCTMO.
8 The decision to create ALMO organisation such as the KCTMO was made under the Right To Manage legislation passed in 2002 
as part of the Commonhold and Leasehold Reform Act.
9 This was put in place to give leaseholders and tenants a greater say and the ability to self manage, which in some circumstances has clearly proven to be flawed.
10 Which Govt was in a charge when this law was passed? It was Labour.
11 Sadiq Khan as mayor of London Produced a report to say that the fire service did not need further funding.
12 Emma Coad elected Labour MP was on the board of the Tenant Management group who are being accused of not listening to tenants.
It's a modern lynch mob encouraged by bitter Labour MPs who having lost a close election want to destroy an elected government for a chance of a second election."

 

 

 

You literally just said it was vile to use Grenfell as a political tool then posted a twelve point screed using it to attack Labour? Is it only vile if it's someone you don't like doing it?

[Lad]

5 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

You literally just said it was vile to use Grenfell as a political tool then posted a twelve point screed using it to attack Labour? Is it only vile if it's someone you don't like doing it?

Are the points made invalid?

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, Lad said:

Are the points made invalid?

shhhhhhh, no one wants to discuss facts, they're always a bit too awkward.

(PS: that's not me saying those things are valid or invalid, but that we only get to find out if discussion about *ALL* circumstances gets to happen).

Edited June 28, 2017 by eFestivals

[waterfalls212434]

1 hour ago, Duncan Doughnuts said:

I beginning to wonder if @eFestivals & @waterfalls212434can keep this argument going until the next Glastonbury??

There is no argument, im literally laughing everytime I log onto here and see this thread atm, its like a game of `how deluded can this prat get before his head explodes from irony` 

[eFestivals]

Just now, waterfalls212434 said:

There is no argument, im literally laughing everytime I log onto here and see this thread atm, its like a game of `how deluded can this prat get before his head explodes from irony` 

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the waterfalls line is on Corbyn's want of brexit. Am I meant to cheer it, or condemn it?

I keep on wondering why such a smart person is having such difficulty with such a simple question.

And when you've told me that, perhaps we can move on to the proposed Financial Transaction Tax (FTT), and how taxing the profits away with a FTT will enable bankers to make the same profits to pay the same in other taxes.

If you're not deluded, you can tell me these.

[DeanoL]

21 minutes ago, Lad said:

Are the points made invalid?

Not at all. I don't have the time to research them at the moment but they could all be true. But apparently even saying that stuff makes you "vile" according to BabyBlade.

[eFestivals]

Just now, DeanoL said:

Not at all. I don't have the time to research them at the moment but they could all be true. But apparently even saying that stuff makes you "vile" according to BabyBlade.

when Corbyn - and not the message - is shot by the press or tories, it's the very essence of evil.

When you do it, it's a valid argument?

and then people like you wonder why the world is shit like tories when you do everything a tory does. Ho hum.

 

[DeanoL]

Just now, eFestivals said:

when Corbyn - and not the message - is shot by the press or tories, it's the very essence of evil.

When you do it, it's a valid argument?

and then people like you wonder why the world is shit like tories when you do everything a tory does. Ho hum.

 

No I believe it's perfectly okay to discuss this stuff and it's inherently political. If you refuse to politicise death you let politicians get away with murder. As I say, I'm not the one calling it vile.

[babyblade41]

I know most of you disagree with what I believe , but the hero worship of Corbyn is really rather strange and rather worrying ... he would be nothing more than a dictator.

When he said over the weekend in 6 months he will be PM well when I last looked at the election results and maths aint my strong point he would nave needed to double the amount of seats he won and still only ended up with a majority of 1 

I would have been quite happy to see him get into No 10 and see all his so called giveaways become takeaways, he could possibly have kept labour out of power for a very long time , but as he isn't his momentum will slow and this falling at his feet will get a little tiresome.

I still think his fellow labour MP's are uncomfortable with him except McD , Thornbury and Abbott 

[DeanoL]

1 minute ago, babyblade41 said:

I know most of you disagree with what I believe , but the hero worship of Corbyn is really rather strange and rather worrying ... he would be nothing more than a dictator.

That's not how our political system works though.

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

No I believe it's perfectly okay to discuss this stuff and it's inherently political. If you refuse to politicise death you let politicians get away with murder. As I say, I'm not the one calling it vile.

but you are using the argument you've said yourself is wrong/bad as you're own, to avoid a discussion of the facts.

So firstly that makes you everything a tory is, and secondly you refuse to try and find a better world by an investigation of the facts.

Nothing of that is better than a tory does, mate. It's why there's only toryism.

[babyblade41]

Just now, DeanoL said:

That's not how our political system works though.

I don't rate Theresa May at all but even when I do support a tory MP I don't treat them as a rock star and chant their names, and their faces printed on my chest ...it's weird to me 

[DeanoL]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

but you are using the argument you've said yourself is wrong/bad as you're own, to avoid a discussion of the facts.

So firstly that makes you everything a tory is, and secondly you refuse to try and find a better world by an investigation of the facts.

Nothing of that is better than a tory does, mate. It's why there's only toryism.

No, I'm pointing out the ridiculousness of the the position or "doing a Neil" as we call it.

I'm not avoiding a discussion of the facts I just haven't had time to research Grenfall in detail due to being at Glastonbury and stuff. 

[waterfalls212434]

13 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I'm still waiting for you to tell me what the waterfalls line is on Corbyn's want of brexit. Am I meant to cheer it, or condemn it?

I keep on wondering why such a smart person is having such difficulty with such a simple question.

And when you've told me that, perhaps we can move on to the proposed Financial Transaction Tax (FTT), and how taxing the profits away with a FTT will enable bankers to make the same profits to pay the same in other taxes.

If you're not deluded, you can tell me these.

There is no point in taking anything you say seriously efestivals because as ive seen time and time and time before you will simply twist what I say or make up bullshit I indeed never even said to suit whatever argument your trying to create to fit your agenda. I decided before the festival it was better just to laugh at you and see how long I could waste your time for before you finally realised what was going on...........that`s still going btw, you just cant get enough can you? it mentally hurts you to not be able to get the last word in with me

 

 

[DeanoL]

3 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

I don't rate Theresa May at all but even when I do support a tory MP I don't treat them as a rock star and chant their names, and their faces printed on my chest ...it's weird to me 

And me. But the point is we're not electing a dictator when we vote. Corbyn, like May, won't be able to do anything without the backing of their MPs in Parliament. He's a symbol people are rallying around, nothing more or less.

[babyblade41]

2 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

And me. But the point is we're not electing a dictator when we vote. Corbyn, like May, won't be able to do anything without the backing of their MPs in Parliament. He's a symbol people are rallying around, nothing more or less.

agree which is where he would fall down if he did reach number 10, I think there are far too many who don't fully support him or his ideas and the in party fighting happens in all parties but feel with Corbyn at the helm of Labour this would be quadrupled ... there are still many who are centre left rather than extreme left 

[eFestivals]

9 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

No, I'm pointing out the ridiculousness of the the position

by being just as ridiculous, by doing what you condemn.

Being like a tory is being like a tory. Better than a tory is better than a tory. Address the substance.

[KingPin]

Jeremy Corbyn is an authoritarian, and that is reason alone to reject him, and why a festival that has such a strong hippy culture attactched to it is supporting an authoritarian is beyond me. Likewise May is an authoritarian and thus should be rejected, and the Tories really should be their usual ruthless self and bin the hag as soon as brexit negotiations are finished or if not by 6 months before the next election then that's when she needs binning.

Edited June 28, 2017 by KingPin

[eFestivals]

10 minutes ago, waterfalls212434 said:

There is no point in taking anything you say seriously efestivals because as ive seen time and time and time before you will simply twist what I say or make up bullshit I indeed never even said to suit whatever argument your trying to create to fit your agenda. I decided before the festival it was better just to laugh at you and see how long I could waste your time for before you finally realised what was going on...........that`s still going btw, you just cant get enough can you? it mentally hurts you to not be able to get the last word in with me
 

to address what I say seriously you'd firstly have to be able to do serious, and not just mindless twat.

Tell me what on-message line is about Corbyn and brexit. You want me to be on message, but you won't say what the message is.

is that because you think people will buy into Corbyn without knowing what Corbyn stands for?

I'm sure some will, but they'll be the ones with half a brain cell like you.

[waterfalls212434]

4 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

agree which is where he would fall down if he did reach number 10, I think there are far too many who don't fully support him or his ideas and the in party fighting happens in all parties but feel with Corbyn at the helm of Labour this would be quadrupled ... there are still many who are centre left rather than extreme left 

I love the fact people like you see a man like corbyn as `extreme left` that to me shows how far to the right this country has gone......hes actually centre left in a lot of what he says and does, he just appears extreme because the alternative weve gotten used to is so fucking in the other direction.

[eFestivals]

13 minutes ago, waterfalls212434 said:

it mentally hurts you to not be able to get the last word in with me

no, brain-dead man, I want words that make sense from you, rather than the deluded rants which is all you do.

Why should I support Corbyn? you can't even tell me why I should.  That's how fucking stupid you are.

[babyblade41]

2 minutes ago, waterfalls212434 said:

I love the fact people like you see a man like corbyn as `extreme left` that to me shows how far to the right this country has gone......hes actually centre left in a lot of what he says and does, he just appears extreme because the alternative weve gotten used to is so fucking in the other direction.

are you mad ???