Alternative Vote

[greenfairy43]

Do they? Did teacher say?

I just don't f**king care. I've tried to have a bash at this macro politics malarky, approaching it from various angles, but I'm a product of my time I'm afraid. Disenfranchised, dissaffected, politically fractured and dissident. It's just a bunch of unrepresentative elites seeking power ties with big businesses in marginally different coloured suits.

I'm interested in ground level politics mind. I'm all for DIY.

[worm]

He can, but it doesn't stop him being an idiot.

[worm]

PLEASE, just for once will you 2 take it to your room & do it in private?

[llcoolphil]

I personally don't think they belong in government. We all know you took the coolaid and help put them there... and told us how good it was going to be just after they got there... You forget that

[llcoolphil]

Quite. One could argue that it is precisely due to the way he intends to vote that he is an idiot. But idiots are allowed to vote.

Have you heard the one about the scorpion and the frog caught on an island..........

[eFestivals]

PLEASE, just for once will you 2 take it to your room & do it in private?

If you start your usual egotistical willy waving no one stands a chance of actually getting their heads around this whole AV thing.

Give us mere mortals a chance, just for a change?

these are forums for discussing, so i discuss. Just as I am with you now.

If someone wants to show they have a shortage of braincells over this matter, that's an on-topic subject for discussion in this thread.

[eFestivals]

I dont forget that and have commented many times on it.

mostly in bad temper. At yourself, no doubt.

[lifelessfool]

I'm probably going to vote yes, but even if they yes vote does win, it doesn't mean it'll go ahead right? Also if you vote yes is that also expressing a yes to changing the constituency boundaries and reducing the amount of MPs like Cameron wants? Because I don't agree to that. It'll probably be worded in a way that favours the no vote anyway.

[llcoolphil]

I'm probably going to vote yes, but even if they yes vote does win, it doesn't mean it'll go ahead right? Also if you vote yes is that also expressing a yes to changing the constituency boundaries and reducing the amount of MPs like Cameron wants? Because I don't agree to that. It'll probably be worded in a way that favours the no vote anyway.

[eFestivals]

AV is OK .... but it wouldn't be my first choice.

[TalkShow Bob]

I think I explained my view in another thread but I was against it, then went undecided and have come round based on two ideas.

One was a discussion with my Grandad, his take on it was the tories are oposing it and if its bad for them its good for us.

Secondly I think it will hinder the united right in the country. I think the population is more progressive but the right wing is more organised so they end up in power while the progressive sides aruge amoungst themselves. AV will mean parlement should more reflect his progressiv view.

Also you may enjoy having a look at this website - http://www.voterpower.org.uk/ if you put your postcode in it will tell you how it will change your constuancy ie how much more marginal it will make it...

[llcoolphil]

Also you may enjoy having a look at this website - http://www.voterpower.org.uk/ if you put your postcode in it will tell you how it will change your constuancy ie how much more marginal it will make it...

[TalkShow Bob]

Is there a problem with that link in the sense it doesn't take into account the future impact of Camoron's gerrymandering? In fact, isn't it somewhat unreasonable to offer people an alternative voting system based on a set of circumstances and then when they've decided change the circumstances?

[llcoolphil]

Thats true hadn't thought about that. Though its good to use to get an idea about what AV will do - ie it wont rewrite parliment just make it a little less predictable.

It allways worries me how much power the governement has over boundries...

[worm]

No but im reading sisyphus at the moment. You wouldn't want to read that without having a host of other reference works to refer to.

Edited April 14, 2011 by worm

[llcoolphil]

I bet your mouth is watering at the prospect of more Tory / Lib coalitions... You was ever so up for it last year In fact you was calling people morons for not giving it a chance

[worm]

I always thought that was the dumbest of tales

Edited April 15, 2011 by worm

[worm]

really.... ?

[worm]

sorry for the flippancy

[lifelessfool]

AV will bring no change to either my home or uni constituency, one stays safe and the other will still be marginal. I will vote yes!

[llcoolphil]

http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/s4wyFxHT98pfR-DQO91AOkg/view.m?id=15&gid=commentisfree/2011/apr/17/andrew-rawnsley-alternative-vote-referendum&cat=commentisfree

There's your yes vote argument!

[sifi]

Does the voter have to select their preferences? I wouldn't want to rank the Tories or the BNP as my 3rd or 4th choices.

[windy_miller]

I think I'll put my first vote as yes, and my second vote as no

[sifi]

So I could vote 1 Labour, 2 Green and that's that.

I'm in.

[eFestivals]

Come back when full PR is on the table.

the problems with that idea are these....

Despite Dave Moron banging on about AV being "undemocratic" (despite it being how he got elected tory party leader... hmmmm, strange that ), he's been undemocratic himself by not allowing the electorate to vote on PR. It's for the electorate to decide what the voting system should be, and not for any MP or PM to dictate the choices to them. The tories never will allow a vote on PR, as it will see them out of power forever.

And because AV is likely to be voted down, it will be used as an excuse in the future to say that the electorate has no desire for the voting process to be changed.

While it's all a stitch-up and AV is not my first choice (), I think I'll probably vote for it, as it's probably the only way we'll ever see a vote on PR on the table.