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[Pogues Mcgogues]

Whatever pogo

[eFestivals]

A tour of where exactly? Deprived bits of Manchester? Want me to take you a tour of Maryhill, the Gorbals, Govan, etc? The same problems, no rise of BNP.

Is it really the same problems?

While I'm far from familiar with Glasgow, I'd be surprised if the levels of non-whites in those areas gets close to the levels in some of the places around Manchester.

The levels of deprivation might be the same, but the ways the people in each area might view the 'why' of their deprivation are likely to be different due to those differences in ethnicity of the people in those areas. Hence the rise of the BNP in some areas of the North West, but not Glasgow.

Added to that is the different views of nationalism in those different areas. In Scotland, their nationalism has long been focused on being anti-England; within England it's different, and nationalism is about being (what they want to regard as being) "pro-England". These differences cause a difference in outcome and reaction.

So I really don't think you're comparing like with like.

[llcoolphil]

Dear Christ, call me by my proper name - Jobby.

[Ed209]

I think it's admirable that Abbott doesn't push her own views onto what her sons are. What's the difference between doing this with politics and doing this with religion.

[philipsteak]

I thought Oafc was going to take the prize for most ridiculous comment on this thread with his jibberish about the universities, but that takes the piss.

Since when was sending your kids to a state school pushing socialism upon them?!? If anything she's now pushing elitism on them instead.

If you want to use the Religion analogy, its a bit like being an hardline atheist, and then sending your kids to a devout catholic school.

[Ed209]

I wouldn't call them hardline, but my parents were very much atheists and used to send me and my sister to Sunday School. They just wanted the peace and quite on a sunday morning. Bastards.

[eFestivals]

Dear Christ, call me by my proper name - Jobby.

No

I think you should Phil. After all, it's a far better name for someone talking shit.

[eFestivals]

I wouldn't call them hardline, but my parents were very much atheists and used to send me and my sister to Sunday School. They just wanted the peace and quite on a sunday morning. Bastards.

This'll make you feel sick .... they wanted shag-time.

[philipsteak]

This'll make you feel sick .... they wanted shag-time.

[llcoolphil]

This'll make you feel sick .... they wanted shag-time.

[Pogues Mcgogues]

A tour of the areas of east lancashire where the BNP were active. Were the BNP active on the streets in Maryhill, The Gorbals or Govan? I'll answer that for you - no they weren't. Again, you illustrate your complete inability to make a coherent argument to support your point.

Edited August 11, 2010 by TheJobbyJabber

[Pogues Mcgogues]

Is it really the same problems?

While I'm far from familiar with Glasgow, I'd be surprised if the levels of non-whites in those areas gets close to the levels in some of the places around Manchester.

The levels of deprivation might be the same, but the ways the people in each area might view the 'why' of their deprivation are likely to be different due to those differences in ethnicity of the people in those areas. Hence the rise of the BNP in some areas of the North West, but not Glasgow.

Added to that is the different views of nationalism in those different areas. In Scotland, their nationalism has long been focused on being anti-England; within England it's different, and nationalism is about being (what they want to regard as being) "pro-England". These differences cause a difference in outcome and reaction.

So I really don't think you're comparing like with like.

[llcoolphil]

The BNP were active in Glasgow. If you go to a Rangers home game for instance, they have people selling their paper outside. But I can assure you I seen the BNP on the streets handing out leaflets, door knocking and even driving a a van with two sideboards and a megaphone through Springburn.

I think it's you who is finding it hard to defend your point.

Edited August 11, 2010 by llcoolphil

[llcoolphil]

There are high levels of asian immigration in parts of Glasgow. Sighthill and Pollockshields to name two. Still, the BNP don't seem to make much impact.

[Pogues Mcgogues]

The one bit of Glasgow I know most about is Pollockshields - the place Ive stayed most in the last 5 years in Glasgow cos have a couple of pals there. The BNP have most certainly not been active in Pollockshields, which might explain why they haven't had much of an impact

[llcoolphil]

I have a friend who lived in the Shawlands when the general election was on (I'm sure you'll know that the Shawlands is right next to Pollockshields). I seen members on the BNP on the street and round the doors. The Glasgow South seat had a BNP candidate standing, Mike Coyle, who came 6th out of 7.

Edited August 11, 2010 by llcoolphil

[Pogues Mcgogues]

If you think the BNP were as active in Glasgow as they were in East Lancashire you clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Especially if you are describing BNP activism as selling a newspaper at Rangers' games

[eFestivals]

There are high levels of asian immigration in parts of Glasgow. Sighthill and Pollockshields to name two. Still, the BNP don't seem to make much impact.

Granted on the nationailism front to a certain extent. Perhaps not in hard line protestant areas, where it's queen and country.

"high levels" - what does that mean??

Is Glasgow anywhere close to the likes of Blackburn, which I'm guessing has somewhere in the region of a 50% non-white population? I'd be very surprised.

[oafc0000]

"high levels" - what does that mean??

Is Glasgow anywhere close to the likes of Blackburn, which I'm guessing has somewhere in the region of a 50% non-white population? I'd be very surprised.

[eFestivals]

98% of Scotland's population is white apparently...

the UK as a whole is greater than 10% (and might be quite a lot more, I've not kept up on such things), so already, just on those wider areas it gets to show there's simply no comparison.

When you get down to individual towns - such as Blackburn, Bradford, and London as easy examples - the percentage is massively greater than that.

There's of course also areas which are much lower than the UK average - the likes of Devon & Cornwall come to mind for me (cos I've lived in west Devon) as those. And in those areas, any nationalist sentiment gets scooped up by UKIP rather than the BNP, very probably because of those low instances of non-whites.

[oafc0000]

the UK as a whole is greater than 10% (and might be quite a lot more, I've not kept up on such things), so already, just on those wider areas it gets to show there's simply no comparison.

When you get down to individual towns - such as Blackburn, Bradford, and London as easy examples - the percentage is massively greater than that.

There's of course also areas which are much lower than the UK average - the likes of Devon & Cornwall come to mind for me (cos I've lived in west Devon) as those. And in those areas, any nationalist sentiment gets scooped up by UKIP rather than the BNP, very probably because of those low instances of non-whites.

Edited August 11, 2010 by oafc0000

[eFestivals]

to be fair () to the jobby, the BNP are active in Scotland - well, one of their prime movers (tho he's not actually a member) resides in Cumbernauld, anyway.

He sounds like the nicest Scotsman that anyone could hope to meet.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/06/03/exclusive-bnp-s-scots-fundraiser-is-criminal-with-links-to-loyalist-killer-86908-21410820/

I read some other stuff about him yesterday. He sounds as tho he could actually make Griffin appear pleasant.

[llcoolphil]

"high levels" - what does that mean??

Is Glasgow anywhere close to the likes of Blackburn, which I'm guessing has somewhere in the region of a 50% non-white population? I'd be very surprised.

[llcoolphil]

I think it's silly, but certainly not evil, and can learn to look past things for the end goal and not get bogged down in drivel.

[eFestivals]

Blackburn is like many other towns and cities with a large ethnic population - not as non-white as you would imagine. In certain wards the asian population will be well in excess of 75%, but the borough as a whole not at all

from

http://www.blackburn.gov.uk/server.php?show=ConWebDoc.41631

The arguments Ive had over the years!!

ah, ta for the info.

It's still hugely greater than almost all other places tho, which sadly is the reason why the BNP are able to make some impact in the places with a higher than average non-white population such as Blackburn.