World Cup 2010

[Cardboard Box City]

More to the point, where do YOU think that Pat has shown himself as better?

[eFestivals]

My hands are up for Fabio being a vast improvement. AND for Neil being on a wind-up.

a "vast improvement" would have England as finalists!!!

My take has England getting no further than the semi's at very most (on the basis that I've said Pat is better via subs).

It's your take that's the wacky one, not mine!

As the finals will prove!

[Langdale Wolf]

a "vast improvement" would have England as finalists!!!

My take has England getting no further than the semi's at very most (on the basis that I've said Pat is better via subs).

It's your take that's the wacky one, not mine!

As the finals will prove!

[eFestivals]

Real Madrid, AC Milan, Juventus and Roma.

Resources, resources, resources, and no better than Sven.

[st dan]

Does anybody really care if Barry is fit, and he is included in the squad ?

On SSN they are saying our chances are resting on the fitness of somebody who had an awful season at City and was a £18m flop. He isnt one of the two best CM in the country. And if he is, well that really does say it all.

[Langdale Wolf]

Does anybody really care if Barry is fit, and he is included in the squad ?

On SSN they are saying our chances are resting on the fitness of somebody who had an awful season at City and was a £18m flop. He isnt one of the two best CM in the country. And if he is, well that really does say it all.

[Cardboard Box City]

Resources, resources, resources, and no better than Sven.

[sifi]

Resources, resources, resources, and no better than Sven.

[ampersand]

What - about Sven v Fabio or if Neil is on a wind-up or not?

My hands are up for Fabio being a vast improvement. AND for Neil being on a wind-up.

[eFestivals]

Yeah, cos resources within the England squad are to a minimum. More to the point, do you know anything about the way those clubs played under Capello?

For national teams, they are at a minimum. It's not like you can just go out there and get the players who play in the way you want them to play. You can only pick players from that nation, and it's not necessarily the case that the best players will make the best team - and that's England.

Nope, I know zilch about Pat in other jobs, but that doesn't stop me seeing that he's done no better with England than Sven managed.

[eFestivals]

this!

Nope, this:-

a "vast improvement" would have England as finalists!!!

My take has England getting no further than the semi's at very most (on the basis that I've said Pat is better via subs).

It's your take that's the wacky one, not mine!

As the finals will prove!

[ampersand]

Nope, this:-

Edited June 1, 2010 by ampersand

[Cardboard Box City]

Nope, I know zilch about Pat in other jobs, but that doesn't stop me seeing that he's done no better with England than Sven managed.

[eFestivals]

Would this be the Sven that walked us in to every final tournament he managed us for? He's certainly done no better than that, no.

Yep, Sven "walked us in to every final tournament he managed us for", yet still had the players underachieve and showed he had little idea outside of putting the players on the pitch and telling them to play.

Pat is no different to that - tho he's more able to see how come it's not working and change it for the better. The "better at subs" thing I've already mentioned.

The problem is tho - and why I'm not seeing Pat as any better - is that he still thinks that putting out those same can't-really-do-it players again and again is going to come right, when it clearly isn't. It's still just about all the same players (don't forget, Beckham would be there if not crocked), and he's still not worked out how to play Lumpard and Gerrard, tho he's found a way to make them less bad . Etc, etc.

[oafc0000]

1240: Sky sources are suggesting Darren Bent has been told he is not going to South Africa. More on that when we get it.

[Cardboard Box City]

Darren Bent has apparently been told he's not going. Announcement expected soon.

[Langdale Wolf]

Bent not going it seems

[ralph250]

What - about Sven v Fabio or if Neil is on a wind-up or not?

My hands are up for Fabio being a vast improvement. AND for Neil being on a wind-up.

[st dan]

Bent out = Heskey in

We are doomed.

[ampersand]

Bent out = Heskey in

We are doomed.

[Langdale Wolf]

Bent out = Heskey in

We are doomed.

[oafc0000]

"Rooney's last 10 England games with Heskey - 9 goals. Rooney's last 10 England games without Heskey - 2 goals."

[oafc0000]

Carrick is going.... dear lord..

[Kowalski]

Bent out = Heskey in

We are doomed.

[Cardboard Box City]

Heskey is an excellent big man up front and works well with Rooney in that role. That'd be my starting pair up front, or him and Crouch.