PEARL JAM

[Cultseeker]

Say what you will about them - but I Predict a Riot will be played at Indie discos for many years to come, in the same way as Teenage Kicks, Common People, Cigarettes & Alcohol, This Charming Man are still played every week now. Tis a classic indie pop song.

[deutsche Harru]

Which means nothing.

It will be played in disco's like Kylie, Robbie Williams, Duran Duran etc. Doesn't mean it's good music.

Edited August 7, 2006 by deutsche Harru

[Cultseeker]

no not necessarily - this was more an point against the longevity argument.

but pre-fabricated? maybe they are but I've never believed them to be so.

edit: and duran duran kick 80's arse. best bond theme ever.

Edited August 7, 2006 by Cultseeker

[deutsche Harru]

I like some Duran Duran. And Cornell is about to put that mediocre offering in it's place.

They have been plucked and groomed on the back of a manufactured indie revival. There were 100 Kaiser Chiefs when I was writing up local bands 5 years ago (and that was rarely outside of the North East region). They have since perpetuated their popularity on the back of this one platform.

I'd say that that was pre-fabricated.

[AloneInDecember]

I can't believe i'm going to defend Kaiser Chiefs, as i've met them and they are tossers.

But how are they pre-fabricated? They met through the Leeds indie scene, formed a crap band, then reformed themselves with catchier songs.

Say what you will about them - but I Predict a Riot will be played at Indie discos for many years to come, in the same way as Teenage Kicks, Common People, Cigarettes & Alcohol, This Charming Man are still played every week now. Tis a classic indie pop song.

[pinback]

I like some Duran Duran. And Cornell is about to put that mediocre offering in it's place.

They have been plucked and groomed on the back of a manufactured indie revival. There were 100 Kaiser Chiefs when I was writing up local bands 5 years ago (and that was rarely outside of the North East region). They have since perpetuated their popularity on the back of this one platform.

I'd say that that was pre-fabricated.

[funkymunkey]

Add one more band to my post 00 debut list Funkey mate - The Black Keys. That horrible half-arsed 'art student' attempt at post-modern blues that is the Kings of Lyon can f**k right off, the Black Keys have arrived*.

Whatsmore, they're supporting Pearl Jam in Paris.

* Hows that for tabloid journalism Pogal.

Edited August 8, 2006 by funkymunkey

[MrMac]

That horrible half-arsed 'art student' attempt at post-modern blues that is the Kings of Lyon can f**k right off

[funkymunkey]

Contrare mate.

The Rakes are the least out of the bands you've mentioned.

Muse and (especially) the White Stripes are.

For f*cks sake man, they won't use any recording equipment post 1979 - if thats not contrived I don't know what is bud.

Edited August 8, 2006 by funkymunkey

[funkymp]

black keys are absolutely horrendous

someone mentioned pretty girls make graves earlier - good choice, there a brilliant band, BSS are great as well, metric and the gossip are worth checking out if you havent as well

[Cultseeker]

and here we go round in circles again - so grunge wasn't pre-fabricated by the marketing men/music press looking for something to get rid of 80's rock?

[Cultseeker]

The Rakes sound like Gang of Four/Libertines etc, but they do it really well.

How can you say the White Stripes are contrived, but then later go on to say you like the Black Keys? They are both retro bands. The White Stripes are doing something very different to anyone else in the mainstream today, have different styles on all their albums, and there's only two of them. And they have a certain mystique about them.

Muse are sublimely talented and uncomparable to any other act, including Radiohead. Classical music, rock, metal, electro influences all on the same album, and one of the most distinctive voices in modern times.

Edited August 8, 2006 by Cultseeker

[funkymunkey]

No it was an already created community and was organically filtered into the mainstream. Nirvana just sparked off some Geffen induced hype at the back end of it. Then came the exploitation.

Not a fan of 'Mars Volta', but have little against them, they are clearly talented and have some original artistic ideas. I quite liked 'At The Drive-In', however, they were truly awful live.

'Broken Social Science' sound terrible from what I've heard.

Not a fan of 'Arcade Fire' whatsoever. Choral rock does my head in. Over elaborate and self-indulgent to say the least.

'System of a Down' just don't do it for me. They clearly have the talent, but their art seems to be focused around an anti-everything stance, without the eloquence required to deliver the message convincingly. I think that they would benefit from listening to RATM.

'Pretty Girls Make Graves' may be one to check out.

[Cultseeker]

But the point is that these are relatively big and succesful bands that have the integrity and talent that you were lamenting a lack of. If you don't like them that is because of your taste, not the lack of quality music.

If you are after PGMG try The New Romance followed by Good Health. Having said that the last one is growing on me with each listen.

How, eactly do they limit themselves creatively?

High-pitched vocals do not a contrived band make. I pointed out the Radiohead comaprison as that was the lazy journalism used to describe their music to the masses. I agree that there are small elements of each of those artists but, as we've both agreed on here, influence will always occur, meaning you can't deride a band for showing some of their influences. There are many other influences that make their way into the music, making them a unique blend of styles. Also Bellamy talks about politics/the modern age very eloquently, passionately and persuasively.

A sweeping statement, that you, underneath it all hold true. You appear to think that if it's popular it is bad.

Edited August 8, 2006 by Cultseeker

[funkymunkey]

As I have said previously, they limit themselves by using nothing post-1979 in the production of their art. That is by nature contrived.

I was giving you my personal opinion of the bands you had mentioned (not as part of the debate particularly), which in itself, shows that I was not dismissing them.

Muse's music does not represent these themes, as they are lost in the translation of their contrived over-elaborance. Their sound is not natural, organic, logical or even ethereal. It is contrived.

Your last comment is just presumption mate. I hold it true on a subjective, impulsive, primordial level but that has no place in objective criticism. It says more about me than the subject matter.

I do not think that popular is bad. I believe that what is governing what makes something popular is bad.

[Cultseeker]

But then any band not making use of the latest technology is also just as derivitive as the White Stripes.

As for Muse, that is the sound they wanted to create, based on their life experiences and musical influences. I think they are happy with what they have produced. It is artistically very different to any of their contemporaries (like the early Manics stuff), so it cannot be said to be cashing in on a bandwagon, or taking the easy route to success.

The last comment is not presumption. I said that is how you appear (to me from your posts).

Edited August 8, 2006 by Cultseeker

[funkymp]

As I have said previously, they limit themselves by using nothing post-1979 in the production of their art. That is by nature contrived.

Edited August 8, 2006 by funkymp

[Cultseeker]

how do they limit themselves though? the fact they can do what they do with pre-1979 production/tech's says a lot about the band, jacks stated on various occasions how he prefers the feel and style of older equipment, maybe he was brought up to respect it more? each of there albums they have released, they've pushed themselves to use new instruments/techniques.

dont the raconteurs use current production techniques/technologies (im sure they do, but not 100% certain), so maybe jack feels that the white stripes music is more suitable to using pre-1979 tech's.

[funkymp]

anyways, back to pearl jam (anyone else noticed how every 4th page or so it goes into another discussion)

anyone holding much hope that they play 'jeremy'? seems to be turning up a few times in recent set lists

Edited August 8, 2006 by funkymp

[Cultseeker]

anyways, back to pearl jam (anyone else noticed how every 4th page or so it goes into another discussion)

anyone holding much hope that they play 'jeremy'? seems to be turning up a few times in recent set lists

[one_one]

What have thier recent live shows been like in terms of stage set up? I mean is it just the basic stage with liek some Pearl Jams curtain things or banner etc and then lights or do they have a video screen or anything more elaborate?

[Cultseeker]

What have thier recent live shows been like in terms of stage set up? I mean is it just the basic stage with liek some Pearl Jams curtain things or banner etc and then lights or do they have a video screen or anything more elaborate?

[Paulaviki]

So not long until Pearl Jam now then!!

Where did you read about the support acts for Paris Cultseeker?

[one_one]

Be assured that they will not give a rats ass about all of that.

Though having said that they used some rather fitting lighting on their 03 American tour. And the pictures on their web-site indicate the same thing.

[Cultseeker]

So not long until Pearl Jam now then!!

Where did you read about the support acts for Paris Cultseeker?

Edited August 8, 2006 by Cultseeker