Stop Tory Cuts

[llcoolphil]

Yes, I'm sure there's plenty of instances where cuts would be identical from both, but there will also be plenty of instances were they wouldn't be.

For example, the abolition of the Audit Commission - a "cut" that's not even being done on the basis of the savings it'll make. It's a "cut" that will cause an INCREASE in spending by the state, because the auditing will still need to be done, but will now be done by private companies on a for-profit basis rather than the audit commission for cost.

FFS Phil, you're being a moron about these things.

Edited September 23, 2010 by llcoolphil

[eFestivals]

Im not defending the cuts the coalition are making - I think abolishing the Audit Commission will prove a huge mistake - and given the amount of contact I have with security peeps over summer, Im not keen on them abolishing the SIA either as is being reported this morning.

yep, saw that about the SIA.

Now, on what basis would they be abolishing a self-financing quango that won't save the govt a penny, and which has very definitely cleaned up (not perfectly, but it's far better than it was) the security industry?

It wouldn't be one of ideology would it?

My argument is that there are massive cuts to be made to an over bloated public sector;

There are massive cuts to be made, but I'm not sure that "over bloated" is actually correct. It is, after all, the case that the vast majority of what will be cut will be services that are extremely useful to certain sectors of society. Just because someone considers some of those things unnecessary for govt to be doing doesn't necessarily mean that they are.

that any government would hve been forced to make massive cuts, regardless of what they told us in the run up to the election and that unless opponents come up with clear plans (and regardless of what you keep telling me, Labour have not come up with anything like a plan)as to why these cuts are wrong, they are talking meaningless bollocks.

Why are you expecting better of Labour than the ConDems have managed? They've not come up with clear plans yet either.

Both said they'd cut, and both said they'd choose what to cut on the basis of a review. There's practically f**k all difference between them.

The only difference is that the tories have made some cuts prior to that review (but so did Labour - £23Bn's worth of them!).

My point is that you are dismissing EVERYTHING you think the tories are planning as ideological and I am saying it isn't.

Nope, I'm not at all.

I'm simply pointing out that the level of cuts they are planning are planned at that level because of ideology and not economic necessity. The abolishment of the Audit Commission on a non-financial basis gets to make it very clear that some of their targets are ideological and not necessity.

Edited September 23, 2010 by eFestivals

[5co77ie]

Labour have not come up with anything like a plan)as to why these cuts are wrong, they are talking meaningless bollocks.

[lost]

think cable summed it up pretty well yesterday..

The public is, broadly, sympathetic to the

coalition. But we are faced with an aggressive

Labour opposition which has chosen the easy

option of deficit denial. Deficit; what deficit?

Nothing to do with us, guv.

It has everything to do with them.

There was, of course, a global financial crisis.

But our Labour predecessors left Britain

exceptionally vulnerable and damaged: more

personal debt than any other major economy; a

dangerously inflated property bubble; and a

bloated banking sector behaving as masters,

not the servants of the people. Their economic

model combined the financial lunacies of

Ireland and Iceland. They built a house on sand

and thought that they were ushering in a new,

progressive work of architecture. It has

collapsed. They lacked foresight; now they even

lack hindsight.

We are a poorer country than two years ago and the budget must reflect what we can afford.

We know that if elected Labour planned to

raise VAT. They attack this government's cuts

but say not a peep about the £23bn of fiscal

tightening Alistair Darling had already

introduced. They planned to chop my

department's budget by 20 to 25%, but now

they oppose every cut, ranting with synthetic

rage, and refuse, point blank, to set out their

alternatives. They demand a plan B but don't

have a plan A. The only tough choice they will

face is which Miliband.

A proper debate is impossible with people who

start from the infantile proposition that there

isn't a problem; and simply hark back to a

failed world of 'business as usual'

[eFestivals]

Labour ... Their economic model ...

Except of course it's Thatcher's economic model!!!!!

[5co77ie]

Except of course it's Thatcher's economic model!!!!!

[oafc0000]

Thatcher will be proved right there will be no such thing as society soon.

[5co77ie]

Is there such a thing as "society" now ?

Everyone caught up in their own self importance with little shits with ASBO's chucking rocks around