Vuvuzelas

[gizmoman]

Potential here for a massive problem? Seriously? Where, then, would an impending cut of 15% in public spending feature on your problem list out of interest? What about unemployment reaching 3,000,000?

Edited June 13, 2010 by gizmoman

[MrMac]

France captain Patrice Evra has already blamed the noise generated by the vuvuzelas, which has been likened to the drone of thousands of bees, for his side's poor showing in their opening group game against Uruguay, which finished goalless.

[jameshunt]

I assume your username is some sort of rhyming slang you feel obliged to live upto constantly? I used a quaint phrase to try and keep it lighthearted. I can hurl abuse if you like?

The mistake you are making is assuming that your narrow minded western centric approach to what does and doesn't create an atmosphere is the definitive answer. What you should be saying is that you have limited experience of other nations and cultures and that you are more comfortable with the familiar. Thus, the only thing that adds to an atmosphere FOR YOU are the things you are familiar and comfortable with. The idea that these horns don't add to atmosphere is extremely dismissive of other cultures and the fact that so many people at so many games seem to disagree with you, wrong.

[llcoolphil]

I believe so, if enough people use them during songs, i can see arguments starting in the crowd, i'm sure you've seen negative reactions to people sitting on others shoulders and blocking the view etc, having one of these blasting in your earhole will guarantee a reaction.

Edited to respond to your additional point, I thought we were discussing vuvuzelas not public spending, but for the record the sooner the government cut non-productive public sector jobs the better. The true level of unemployment is probably 3,000,000 already if you count those on disability etc.

[gizmoman]

Im not convinced a problem that can be solved with 'please could you not blow that during a song' or by simply standing somewhere else constitutes massive. What's the difference between a horn and someone talking stood next to you or someone singing along badly?

[llcoolphil]

Hurl abuse? Feel free. Also feel free to point out where I hurled abuse or similar.

[lord stradmor]

Asking a single individual to "stop blowing that thing" might work. Asking a group of eight or ten lads on the razz to stop doing so is likely to be less successful.

[llcoolphil]

Maybe massive was the wrong word, I should have said 'there is a potential problem here' your belief that all it takes is a polite word to stop someone enjoying themselves (as they see it) is, I would suggest naive.

[llcoolphil]

Asking a single individual to "stop blowing that thing" might work. Asking a group of eight or ten lads on the razz to stop doing so is likely to be less successful.

Edited June 13, 2010 by llcoolphil

[jameshunt]

I was responding to your sarcasm. I didn't suggest you had hurled abuse, I was simply pointing out that I could if you didn't like my quaint expressions.

I have no problem with anyione expressing an opinion. I have problems with opinions expressed as fact. Now given that I offered a different opinion to yours and you suggested my opinion was based on not understanding you, where do you think the problem with different opinion really lies? I wasn't saying that everyone had to share my viewpoint - I was simply pointing out that several hundreds of thousands of people in Africa proved yours wrong. Do try to keep up.

[ukslim]

What's the difference between a horn and someone talking stood next to you or someone singing along badly?

[gizmoman]

I dont think it's naive. The vast majority - vast, vast majority - of people are reasonable. If someone is having fun blowing a horn they are unlikely to realise how unreasonable they might be being blowing it inappropriately. They will remain unaware unless someone points it out. If someone asked you to stop doing something you weren't aware was annoying them, would you get immediately confrontational? Would you carry on doing it? No? Me neither. It would be a bit rude to assume that we were different from most people wouldn't it?

[jameshunt]

...

What's the difference between a horn and someone talking stood next to you or someone singing along badly?

[gizmoman]

I've just found this for the seriously anti-social festival goer,

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Vuvuzela-Fanhorn-with-England-Flag/dp/B001AQSTRY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=sports&qid=1276455738&sr=8-2

when you're not blowing it you can wave it about and obscure other peoples view!

[llcoolphil]

I disagree. They blare the whole way through every game. They aren't used to rally the team or emphasise any play that's going on on the field. They don't add to the atmosphere the way singing, chanting and cheering do.

Funny how this "tradition" isn't prevalent during South Africa's rugby games.

[jameshunt]

That it's about 10 times louder?

Although people chatting at gigs is bloody annoying too. :angry:

[jameshunt]

Have a reread of your first statement. They are used to rally the team. They do emphasise particular passages of play by getting louder...

[gizmoman]

Their use at a football match is the same as the old fashioned wooden rattles, to make a racket, can't see a problem at a match as you not trying to hear whats going on, a concert is a different story.

[PabloCoke]

I find it quite annoying but have got used to it now, its part of SA football so its part of an SA world cup.

the talk of banning them I find quite horrendous, a part of African culture annoys some europeans so they call for a ban! that's bloody typical of our arrogant continent.

[lord stradmor]

It might be worth thinking about where you stand to watch a gig though eh? Id say standing next to ten lads on the razz blowing horns isn't prime location number one. And if there are ten of them not being irritated and one of you that is, Id suggest the onus is on the one to put up with it no? I find the Ting Tings bloody irriatating. I choose to go and stand by a different stage when they play, rather than stand at the same stage expecting them to stop.

[robith]

Don't believe Septic Bladder. There's nothing about this annoying cheap Chinese import that's part of the culture or history of South Africa.

[robith]

Anyone who thinks its a good idea to lie in their tent and blow one of the bloody things at 4am is going to lose their tent pegs, by the way.

[lord stradmor]

seems like a suitably irritating yet non-violent response to an non-violent yet irritating practice, to me. It does nobody any harm, yet causes a solvable problem for the aforesaid tw@t.

[robith]

Funny how this "tradition" isn't prevalent during South Africa's rugby games.

[robith]

seems like a suitably irritating yet non-violent response to an non-violent yet irritating practice, to me. It does nobody any harm, yet causes a solvable problem for the aforesaid tw@t.