The Beatles

[Langdale Wolf]

Too simplistic, too simple for me. Sorry. Compare and contrast with something of the intracacies of Tom Thumb Blues by Bob Dylan, or around that time, and you'll see what I mean.

And a couple of points on the Beatles output as compared to Bob's. There are four Beatles, and only one Bob. And the amount of stuff Bob didn't release in that period which could have gone out is legendary. Stuff like Wallflower, Santa-Fe, Mama you've been on my mind, Sitting on a Barbed Wire Fence, She's Your Lover Now .. all could have strolled onto studio albums.

Anyone would think you're a fan of Bob......

I like him too, but I'm not comparing everything The Beatles did to stuff Dylan did. Two different artists, two important artists. Two very good artists.

Yesterday is beautifully simple and - in my opinion and looking at it as a standalone piece of music - it's fantastic.

[Peevis]

in a thread of opinions, may I also state the fact that there isn't anything else in the world, more people agree on, than that the Beatles made good music.

[sifi]

song-structure wise, Dylan barely changed from when he started

I'm leaving it now, tonyblair, I'm not going to spoil the Beatles thread with Bob's presence.

Take it the Bob thread if you want it sunshine.

Edited September 10, 2009 by sifimaster

[sifi]

compared to the chasm that there is between songs like Please Please Me and Strawberry Fields, or Love Me Do and I Want You, they're fairly similar. The structure, the 'type' of chords that are used. The Beatles re-wrote the rule book on what you can and can't do in a song.

* plays "Like a Rolling Stone" card, and flounces off out of thread *

[ampersand]

* plays "Like a Rolling Stone" card, and flounces off out of thread *

flounces? guess you're a long way off those 42 roads.

[sifi]

flounces? guess you're a long way off those 42 roads.

The M42, you mean?

[Peevis]

* plays "Like a Rolling Stone" card, and flounces off out of thread *

Wonderful song.

Hardly folk though is it?

Dare I say, he'd not have written that without knowing Lennon, and of course most of Lennons decent songs from '65 onwards would not have been written without Dylan.

Can we not like both?

[sifi]

musically, that's a very simple song...

I'm not a musician. I know something about words though. And I know it's words are really very good.

And without it, the Beatles might still have been recording "love me do" over and over?

But Peevis makes a point. And if any Beatle fan out there is any doubt, go and listen to Fourth Time Around by Bob Dylan, so he can make his ...

[thomasowen]

I'm not a musician. I know something about words though. And I know it's words are really very good.

And without it, the Beatles might still have been recording "love me do" over and over?

But Peevis makes a point. And if any Beatle fan out there is any doubt, go and listen to Fourth Time Around by Bob Dylan, so he can make his ...

Dylan had a huge impact on the Beatles but that was prior to 'Like a rolling stone'. You need to be looking at 64/65.

[sifi]

Dylan had a huge impact on the Beatles but that was prior to 'Like a rolling stone'. You need to be looking at 64/65.

Stone was released in 65.

Hence why I think he was miles ahead. Not to say the Beatles didn't catch up mind.

[thomasowen]

Stone was released in 65.

Hence why I think he was miles ahead. Not to say the Beatles didn't catch up mind.

True but it was Another side / Bringing it all back home that had the most influence I think esspecialy on Help and Rubber Soul.

[Peevis]

I'm not a musician. I know something about words though. And I know it's words are really very good.

And without it, the Beatles might still have been recording "love me do" over and over?

But Peevis makes a point. And if any Beatle fan out there is any doubt, go and listen to Fourth Time Around by Bob Dylan, so he can make his ...

It's also worth noting that Macca was influenced by the jazz music his old man played too. I guess we'll never know for sure, but nothing happens in a vaccum except a hoover and space, so without Dylan they would have been inspired by other things.

Anyways the main inspiration for both and all was the times, the social revolution and the determination to change the old world. Some could say Christine Keeler, Lee Harvey Oswald, the pill, the coming of age of a generation, the increased affluence for the young inspired them both.

But of course the main reason The Beatles WOULD have progressed was the competition between Lennon and Macca. Macca inspired Lennon more than Dylan ever did I'm afraid. it was John's band and i doubt he'd have ever settled for letting Paul write all the tunes.

Edited September 10, 2009 by Peevis

[thomasowen]

The Beach Boys were more infleuntial to The Beatles than Dylan was in my opinion, at least from Rubber soul through Sgt Pepper.

[Alcatraz]

The Beach Boys were more infleuntial to The Beatles than Dylan was in my opinion, at least from Rubber soul through Sgt Pepper.

Most definately

Theres always been a lot of respect between Brian Wilson and Macca

[Peevis]

indeed.. one of the problems with most critiques of any artist is that it's done in isolation. There was so much going on at the time, both musically and socially. In many ways, Dylan does tower above a lot of it, but even he would have been influenced by some of what was happening.

1965 was a monumental year musically ('66) was pretty good too.

As Reg Presley rather famously said they all "put some f**king fairy dust on the bastard"

All Tap fans should listen to the Troggs tapes. Youtube it, it's hilarious!!

Edited September 10, 2009 by Peevis

[Peevis]

Most definately

Theres always been a lot of respect between Brian Wilson and Macca

God only knows is Macca's favourite song.

he's not all wrong on that neither. Although I sometimes find it hard to decide between that and Don't worry baby.

[ampersand]

worst beatles song is 'i need you'

[sifi]

Here's a few more that are a bit rubbish in my opinion :

The Word, Good Night, Why Don't we do in the Road and - this is contraversial I'm sure - Taxman.

[Langdale Wolf]

Listened to Abbey Road on my ipod on the way in to work.

It's always been one of my favourites, but it might possibly - and only temporarily - be given the honour of sitting at the top of my favourite albums list.

Stunning piece of work.

Thinking about it - in 1968 and 1969, they recorded 3 albums, one of which was a double album. And then Abbey Road has these short songs beautifully crafted together. That is a LOT of songs in only 18 months or so. Quite phenomenal.

[sifi]

Side Two is excellent. Side one let's it down a bit.

Right - another rubbish post-Rubber Soul rubbish Beatles song : You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)

[Langdale Wolf]

Here's a few more that are a bit rubbish in my opinion :

The Word, Good Night, Why Don't we do in the Road and - this is contraversial I'm sure - Taxman.

The Word - I quite agree.

Good Night - disagree. Not a classic but has it's charm. And my mum used to play it to me when I was little to get me to shut the f**k up. Apparently I preferred Helter Skelter.

Why Don't We Do It In The Road - yeah, not great is it? What I would consider to be one of the White Album 'filler' tracks IMHO so never a classic.

Taxman - get out of here. Great track.

[ampersand]

Here's a few more that are a bit rubbish in my opinion :

The Word, Taxman.

wrong and wrong. sorry, who isnt allowed an opinion?

[sifi]

wrong and wrong. sorry, who isnt allowed an opinion?

You know what I think when I hear Taxman?

Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na...Batman

[Langdale Wolf]

Side Two is excellent. Side one let's it down a bit.

Right - another rubbish post-Rubber Soul rubbish Beatles song : You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)

That's a bit crap, but I find it funny.

Have you got Anthology 3? There is some right shite on that record that thankfully never made it to an album. I think one is called What's The New Mary Jane? It's complete bollocks. Another bad one that never made it was Teddy Boy. Again, dreadful.

Though they didn't add All Things Must Pass onto an album. One of George's best ever songs IMHO.

[Langdale Wolf]

You know what I think when I hear Taxman?

Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na, Na...Batman

:D

Surely that's reason to like it more?

What do you have against Batman? Batist.