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[pezzypops]

I think you should all read Mein Kamf, you'd really enjoy it.

Edited February 22, 2009 by pezzypops

[davidd]

How about some extreme chav music at glastonbury this year

Im talking extreme hardcore gangster speed garage by artists such as 'MC Doggy Style' and 'MC Pop a-cap-in-yo-momma

What you say?

[popcornmaster]

And Godwin's Law proves itself once again.

You've clearly never been punched in the face for having long hair.

[Alcatraz]

You've clearly never been punched in the face for having long hair.

Edited February 22, 2009 by Alcatraz

[marktea]

You dont seem to understand who were talking about when we say 'chav'

[crosswillcastyourshadow]

excellent, a bit of patronising middle class sneering about people. They eat at macdonalds, they have prams., they listen to speed garage. F***ing hilarious. You're clearly superior.

It's your tolerance and love of humanity in all its forms that makes Glastonbury such a special place. Or maybe we shouldn't allow anyone you don't consider suitable to come to Glastonbury? I'm sure you've got an idea of a different sort of camp they should be kept in?

[crosswillcastyourshadow]

And Godwin's Law proves itself once again.

You've clearly never been punched in the face for having long hair.

Edited February 22, 2009 by crosswillcastyourshadow

[Alcatraz]

I've been punched in the face for having long hair numerous times.

I still pretty much despise the term chav.... It's ok to joke about these stereotypes though.

[reas11]

And that's the whole point about why some people are upset. Labels ARE dangerous and divisive when things get serious.

Of course you are right to have a go about those people who are essentially a menace to society. But it's their behaviour that makes them bad, not their clothes or the music that they like (which is where this thread started I think).

Papers like the Daily Mail will use labels like that to marginalise and demonise whole sections of society who they don't particularly like and that is dangerous. Replace every use of the word 'chav' in this thread with 'immigrant' or 'muslim' and you start to get the general idea. Everyone begins to get tarred with the same brush by the bad behaviour of some.

So I don't mind you having a go at the divs who just make trouble in fact I'm right with you. Just be very careful when you start using labels that thanks to our glorious press can end up having a much wider meaning. It then just becomes a way to divide us all, as this thread has shown.

[Alcatraz]

All young people will know what/who im talking about when i say 'chav'. Guess i never considered that their may be some people 21+ on the forum who dont understand the phrase fully which is understandable as its a phrase created and used by youngsters only a few years back really.

[reas11]

I don't know about you, but I find more privileged kids who do all that more annoying

[Alcatraz]

I find anyone who does it annoying no matter what background they come from to me i fail to see how a persons social class affects how they act

Edited February 22, 2009 by Alcatraz

[superdry]

All young people will know what/who im talking about when i say 'chav'. Guess i never considered that their may be some people 21+ on the forum who dont understand the phrase fully which is understandable as its a phrase created and used by youngsters only a few years back really.

[daisylane]

ooh, woe is me

Edited February 23, 2009 by daisylane

[pezzypops]

I've been punched in the face for having long hair numerous times.

I still pretty much despise the term chav.... It's ok to joke about these stereotypes though.

EDIT:

You can't use being the victim of these petty things as an excuse to be a snob and feel superior to everyone.

Edited February 23, 2009 by pezzypops

[reas11]

i'm using 'being the victim' as the basis for my contempt for the people i went to school with who chose to be bullying bastards to anyone who wasn't like themselves, anyone who stood out or was perceived as 'weaker' than them or an easy target for them to show off in front of their mates.

people with no conscience about the hurt or harm they cause other people, they won't think twice about their atrocious behavior but the mental scarring they cause in their victims causes a lifetime.

i still wince with shame at the memory of being headbutted by one scumbag who's only reason for doing it was that someone pointed me out and told him i'd insulted him (which i hadn't), i still remember his name. i'll bet he doesn't remember me or lose any sleep about it.

[Alcatraz]

Well said!!

I wish some people in this thread would stop trying to be so politically correct and play down some of the storys people are telling.

[Sam.]

Me and my pals went out christmas eve, and we were at the taxi rank come the end of the night. I was talking to a guy I know from my town, and asked how come he was in the town we had visited (Lytham, a posh town), at which point, a chav (full on, trakkie, stone island wearing, teeth missing obviously about to cause trouble chav.) comes over and shouts "cos I f**king live here, its my f**king town, so i'll f**king come out if i want." I politely replied that I wasn't talking to him, and carried on talking to the lad. Out of nowhere from my side comes a fist onto my lip, which bust my lip. The lad just stepped back and looked at me as if to say 'go on, hit me back.' Obviously I didn't, but when my mates all stepped up he went running.

I don't doubt that this guy was laughing as he got home, and didn't have a care in the world over what he'd done.

I'm a nurse, and I always think that if that lad got run over, god forbid, or beaten up, I pray to God, I would be inclined to be somewhat less than courteous. I would treat him, but I wouldn't go out of my way to make it comfortable for him.

I tell this story not for the purpose of self pity, but to add to the debate. My point being that what goes around comes around.

They're not just thugs, they are lowlifes in every sense of the word. Its the attitude he has that bothers me, not the thuggery, I'm cool with being punched, I'm not cool with him thinking its alright to do that to people.

Edited February 23, 2009 by Sam.

[reas11]

Everyone has stories. There are thugs in this world, always have been. Just adding a load of examples of thuggish behaviour has nowt to do with debate. Why not call them thugs, coz that's what they are?

[Alcatraz]

Becuase the thugs just happen to all be teenage chavs

[Sam.]

I dunno which way I swing on the thug thing, 'cos I once got my hair yanked by a mid to late twenties man, for having 'f**king girls' hair. He was drunk, but I did wish a transvestite upon him.

The point, obv, that not all thugs are teens. Or that not all chavs are teens. Or both?

[Alcatraz]

The point, obv, that not all thugs are teens. Or that not all chavs are teens. Or both?

Edited February 23, 2009 by Alcatraz

[reas11]

I take it your being sarcastic. In which case we are in agreement. In future, why not refer to them as thugs?

[Sam.]

I have chavs.

dot com.

But I love MC Devvo, get him to Glastonbury.

When he plays at university Student Unions, they theme the night... Chav Nite. I think you can guess what the dress code is!

Edited February 23, 2009 by Sam.

[alframsey]

Being 19 and from a very working class background i know chavs all too well and they deserve all the looking down on they can get

Try being surrounded by them 5 days a week and see if you feel the same then