Atlanteanlost Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Policeman accused of murder Will be interesting to see what comes out of this, it does seem to be somewhat of an unjustified attact on what seems to be an ordinary bloke going about his buiness. However in the heat of the moment....??? LINK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t8yman Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) is it just me or does the bloke look pissed? not trying to stir the pot or anything, its just that the narration I heard on the guardian website said the man was on his way home from work. I suspect it isnt as cut and dried as we might be led to believe, although on first viewing it appears pretty grim for the officer involved. (and obviously the poor fella who lost his life) Edited April 8, 2009 by t8yman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 even if he was drunk, was he being disorderly? even if he was being disorderly, was the treatment he got was extremely ott? policeman is obviously a cock who loves power and i hope he gets sent down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 is it just me or does the bloke look pissed? not trying to stir the pot or anything, its just that the narration I heard on the guardian website said the man was on his way home from work. I suspect it isnt as cut and dried as we might be led to believe, although on first viewing it appears pretty grim for the officer involved. (and obviously the poor fella who lost his life) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Agree with this. Clearly the policeman has an extremely serious case to answer for, but the guy doesn't look like he is simply "walking home from work". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goblinz Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I don't think this will get as far as a man slaughter/murder case. The officer was clearly out of order for striking th guy down and wil maybe face assault charges (??) Actually proving that his acts were the cause of the heart attack is another matter, surely it's all just circumstantial at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 does it matter where he's walking to or from? he's not causing anyone any harm or mouthing off to anyone etc. obviously we dont have all the footage beforehand but why attack him then if he was up to something before? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ampersand Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Actually proving that his acts were the cause of the heart attack is another matter, surely it's all just circumstantial at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisskross Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 he was an alcoholic, no idea if he was pissed at the time though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oafc0000 Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 (edited) Pushing over a man with his hand in his pocket not posing a risk to the police officers is surely grounds for a man slaughter charge... Will it happen...not a chance... Police are free to shot people with little justification... A shove will be easily swept under the carpet as soon as the press get bored... Edited April 8, 2009 by oafc0000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryu Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 from the footage I saw, it showed a bloke walking slowly in front a crew of officers, who pushed him on and he fell over. Hardly a smoking gun is it. The fact the guy subsequently had a heart attack is just unfortunate. Given the amount of people the police were having to deal with on the day, a large number of which who were "Moved on" in the same fashion and didn't suffer subsequent injuries/illness, It just seems a bit excessive to jump on the police for this particular act. At the most, it is common assault on the officers part, for which he should be reprimanded accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t8yman Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 If I had to choose "sides" based on what we know (very little), then I would side with the deceased man, as would everyone on here I suspect. I'm just a little cautious to take the story at face value based purely on the fact that the guardian reporter quite clearly states the man was "on his way home from work" when he doesnt appear to be IMHO. And whilst the officer is clearly (based upon what we know) a little c**t, I find it hard to believe he caused the man's death, an average rugby player gets that kind of treatment 50 or 60 times during the course of a match. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight_Outta_Trumpton Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 The police officer was OTT but tbh if you dawdle in front of a police line with your hands in your pockets you can't really expect not to get pushed out of the way. It's unfortunate what happened afterwards but I don't see a manslaughter/murder charge coming of the incident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I'm disappointed to hear anyone on this site defending the actions of the Police Officer, but I'm not surprised. You are taught to defend and accept authority, however flawed and twisted. I nearly had a raging argument with a very good friend of mine (who is a Conservative) the other night - some of the worst hooligans have a badge and a uniform Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryu Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I'm disappointed to hear anyone on this site defending the actions of the Police Officer, but I'm not surprised. You are taught to defend and accept authority, however flawed and twisted. I nearly had a raging argument with a very good friend of mine (who is a Conservative) the other night - some of the worst hooligans have a badge and a uniform Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t8yman Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I'm disappointed to hear anyone on this site defending the actions of the Police Officer, but I'm not surprised. You are taught to defend and accept authority, however flawed and twisted. I nearly had a raging argument with a very good friend of mine (who is a Conservative) the other night - some of the worst hooligans have a badge and a uniform Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardboard Box City Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Just perspective, I mean, its hardly Rodney King is it?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 no one is defending the police officer are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kowalski Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Well, err... And then half the other comments are making out that it was this guy's own fault for getting in the officer's way, or being pissed, etc?! I'm sure there are some very good police officers but there are far too many who join the force for all the wrong reasons, who are semi-trained thugs, and who have noticeable political bias. And lest we forget - the poor sod who has died wasn't even taking part in the protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardboard Box City Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Has the officer been named yet? I know from experiences of away day football matches that they like to act with annonymity and tend to shit themselves if asked to identify themselves as an individual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I agree with your comments but how do you know the last statement is true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryu Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I'm sure there are some very good police officers but there are far too many who join the force for all the wrong reasons, who are semi-trained thugs, and who have noticeable political bias. And lest we forget - the poor sod who has died wasn't even taking part in the protest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 So on the basis that he pushed the guy over, he is a semi traiend thug with noticeable political bias? I also stated in my post that the guy who did the pushing commited assault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight_Outta_Trumpton Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 Okay so no intent = not murder, right? But the next worst thing arguably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strudders Posted April 8, 2009 Report Share Posted April 8, 2009 I agree with your comments but how do you know the last statement is true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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