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21 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
Wasn't at least one if not both of them bumped due to a drop out? Download never has been and never will be the most progressive bookers on the planet - the difference is other fests use to force their hand a bit.
Nah, Download was good at bumping bands up that looked like headliners before the other major festivals like A7X, My Chemical Romance, System, Slipknot etc. It's only the last 10 years that they have decided to book the old shit more at the expenses of the younger shit, literally their first year at the height of nu-metal they booked Limp Bizkit to headline.
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7 minutes ago, BenG92 said:
It's Download, I'd never rule out them bringing back a headliner that played 2 years previously
We'll see how '23 goes, if it's more of a celebration of 20 years with a lot of legacy acts then '24 desperately needs to be something very different to kickstart a new generation of Download. Even once they bump BMTH up they can't rely on just them. '24 should see Ghost at the top 100%
They should have gone with Ghost this year to be honest, one because they are fucking awesome live and two to strike whilst the iron is hot or whatever that phrase is.
Five Finger looked ready years ago however as they have waited so long they are starting to cool off much like when Biffy did finally headline and are now a bad word to the Downloaders. When a band is shit hot and big enough is when they should headline to cement their headline status so all the Status Quo fans can't complain they aren't headliners.
It's fucking lucky they bumped A7X and Slipknot when they did otherwise they never would have.
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13 hours ago, justanothername said:
A big thing that sticks in my mind is why go to Download over any other of its competitors? For metal you've got Bloodstock, for fresh rock acts you've got 2000trees, for hardcore you've got Outbreak, for the weirder stuff you've got ArcTanGent, for the more extreme stuff you've got Damnation, for old school punk you've got Rebellion, for kerrang artists you've got Slam Dunk and even the denim dinosaurs have got Ramblin Man.
I know that Download draws bigger names but for most if not all of those festivals have been growing loads as Download just seems to stagnate. Doesn't seem like it'll be long until these festivals catch up.
Yep, apart from Pilot I've not been to Download for a few years as it's become abit boring now. There are so many great smaller festivals about where it feels like it's more like a party and less hard work than the major fests.
However a decent major rock festival in this country is the dream!
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20 minutes ago, NorthernSoul52 said:
There's been some spectacularly strange clashes over the years.
There's possibly an argument to be made that Download may simply have to... downscale? Try lowering prices with a smaller attendance, chop to three stages... it's a spitball idea, but who knows.
Volbeat have just locked an arena tour. Would argue any metal act outright topping an arena bill these days is worthy of a shot, given how much new blood is needed atop the bill.
The issue isn’t really metal is dead though as there’s a lot of metal bands playing arenas both new and old. The issue is Downloaders bitch about the idea of anything that isn’t the equal of Metallica or Guns n Roses being made a headliner leaving the rather shallow pool it now has.
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5 minutes ago, BenG92 said:
Slayer was a massive part of it too yeah. My mate wasn't best pleased that we left partway through their last ever show but he couldn't argue after I told him I was only going DL for Tool if he wanted to tag along 😂 horrible clash but I'll take horrible clashes over Iron Maiden saying "it's us or your tent"
Of all the years to actually have the second and main stage headliners clash they chose that one. They should have sacked off Def Leppard and just had Slayer headline but with a big sub. Yes they aren't big enough but neither are Def Leppard!
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30 minutes ago, BenG92 said:
I would hope so, yeah. Just looking at their recent UK shows, Eden aside it was Academy venues, but that's probably because Trent wants more intimate shows.
Biffy's 2022 crowd is going to be quite the comparison point for future reference I think, that footage of the side was damning. It looked like most of the park had gone back to camp to pack up.
Yeah, those UK NIN shows sold out fucking quick as they were way too small for them. I've seen them play at the O2 before, I would say they are more on the level between Wembley and the O2 though.
I found it odd the first night of the Eden Session wasn't sold out as I would have gone to that night too but all the hotels were booked already. I found out from my cab driver whilst I was there that apparently that date was NIN taking over from Lionel Richie who had pulled out and all the hotels had bookings from the Lionel fans but they didn't cancel at the time NIN were announced so a lot of fans were put off by not having anywhere to stay since it's such an isolated location.
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2 minutes ago, BenG92 said:
NIN might be a 2nd stage head over here realistically but even still, they should be there. Would be an absolutely phenomenal alternative to the regulars.
I just don't reckon they would play at all.
Trent only seems to want to play if he fancies it nowadays and doesn't want to do massive arena tours so forcing himself onto a Download line up with Alestorm and Limp Bizkit would make him vomit. Hellfest had to make a line up that appealed to him first which is why Killing Joke and Ministry are specifically there in slots bigger than they would normally get and the last few shows in the UK have been for things like Robert Smith's Meltdown Festival. All Points East is where my money is on if he plays an UK fest again.
To be honest good on him, he's noticeably happier playing now unlike his misery set at Reading I saw.
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39 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
There's a number of other rock festivals - the issue is size. The genre is obviously a lot smaller than it was in it's hey day which means you've a big difference between a Bloodstock / Slam Dunk headliner and a Download headliner in terms of crowd draw - there's a big difference your rock genre headliners at TRSNMT, Reading, 2000Trees in terms of suitability for Download.
Short of resurrecting Sonisphere there's not really an avenue here for festival organisers. And if Sonisphere was ressurected it'd probably just take a lot of the crowd who go to Download because it's the UK's only major hard rock festival with it and give the festival an even bigger festival.
Bollocks. If Download is only successful because it's the only big rock festival then that's not really a justification for it to BE the big rock festival.
There's clearly a market now that R&L is moving away from rock. On this year's Euro fest circuit where Metallica, Slipknot, Nightwish, Five Finger Death Punch, Gojira, Sabaton, The Offspring etc have no UK dates and there are acts like Slaves, Placebo, Weezer, Nine Inch Nails, Turnstile, Jack White, Green Day etc which Download can't seem to book then there's space for another festival.
14 minutes ago, willgooneday said:Isn't the reason NIN haven't done it because Trent would play a load of deep cuts that would bore the pants off a festival crowd? It's the seem reason Glasto'd never book Bob Dylan any more. The Cure are surely too expensive? Fall Out Boy / QOTSA would be great though
Nine Inch Nails just headlined Hellfest to a great reception. It's because of people like you would rather have Status Quo play!
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12 minutes ago, BenG92 said:
Aye he also said that a Download headliner in 5 years might not even exist yet which is... true on paper but not likely for this festival.
Just seems to weird to specifically call out five bands and then stuff them away or put them opposite Volbeat and ADTR.
I've heard the a band doesn't exist but could headline in 5 years line from him before. What a load of bollocks, it took them over 5 years to get Bring Me back after changing their minds about them headlining Download.
There needs to be another rock festival to replace R&L and Soni just to generate headliners for Download at this rate.
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18 minutes ago, BenG92 said:
Copping specifically called out Spiritbox, Loathe, Wargasm, Cassyette, Sleep Token as "potential future headliners"... and then put only one of them on main stage. Same goes for Malevolence. He'll be doing them all dirty if they're not back in 2023 on main.
Is he just naming names as he can't think of a realistic act that will headline one day? They are all new bands on an upward protectory and will get bigger (but there's bands like that who appear every year) rather than the type of shit hot act soon to becomes a headliner the same way Drake or Billie Eilish has done at other fests this year.
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24 minutes ago, BenG92 said:
It does baffle me that not many people consider bands like Fontaines D.C. - the biggest name in post punk right now - a Download band just because there's a lot of overlap with bucket hat lads. They wouldn't look out of place at Download next to IDLES, black midi and Amyl. Leeds can still have them between Jack Harlow and Wolf Alice, no harm done.
I've been told before on this forum Bring Me, While She Sleeps and Architects who are the three bands flying the flag of the current UK metal scene are R&L type bands so fuck knows what the chances are of getting stuff like Amyl or Slaves playing or if IDLES would come back now they are a name let alone Fontaines D.C.
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I always find these lists are abit boring as it's doubling down on the same stuff of major bands that have headlined other fests but Download aren't able to book, Download bands on the rise but the regulars will forever complain aren't big enough even when they are established as a big arena act or who have headlined before. Like when Soni bumped Biffy up or Download got Prodigy to headline they were really well received despite not being the exact thing people were expecting.
Not that I'm even a fan of some of these but why isn't Fall Out Boy, Queens Of The Stone Age, Nine Inch Nails, No Doubt, The Cure, Kings Of Leon etc being talked about at all as possible future headliners when Status Quo and Arctic Monkeys of all things have been seriously suggested. Some would probably flop but there's a rarity to them at Download that could make them unique enough to pull off a headline set just the once and it's not like Download regularly gets stadium acts anyway. The "they aren't big enough" and "that's a R&L band" crowd need to start lowering their expectations abit. It's started to become a self-fulfilling prophecy where no one new will ever headline or crowd won't be up for them like when they let Biffy cool off from being white hot so they couldn't establish themselves for the Download crowd.
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I saw Jack White last night. Fuck me the man's incredible.
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The shit being discovered about Vince looks like there's no chance of him coming back.
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3 hours ago, rivalschools.price said:
And while we’re at it can we stop using Status Quo and Saxon as examples of who the typical Downloader wants to see.
So you're not gonna join in the calls for Status Quo to finally headline Download then?
Hollywood Vampires are touring Europe next June. They are a shout for second stage headliner.
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3 hours ago, BenG92 said:
Third feels a touch too low maybe? I dunno, I'm having a hard time judging this when DL22 thirds were Volbeat and Skindred and Skindred are about to open for Volbeat in December. It's messy.
Skindred where an emergency booking imo, after Gojira,The Offspring and Disturbed pulled out there was no other option but them that they could get away with. People were calling it out as weak booking for that slot at the time.
Also I like ‘em but Volbeat aren’t selling out Wembley.
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3 hours ago, Spiral_Low said:
With respect can we stop saying the older crowd makes up most of Download? The main demographic is probably my generation (I'm 37). Probably 25-45 has the biggest representation there. I know we aren't kids anymore but come on haha. Yeah there are a chunk of over 50's but there are loads of 18-21 too, it's a mixed bag!
But they need more 80s cock rock, it’s the only thing the yoof know!!!
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45 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
Was Maiden's crowd as dead as this video makes it look? Seems insane for people to just be standing around like that for Maiden... where the pits? Are they just further back?
Old bands attract old people. 😜
Now if they were to book a few younger bands like Turnstile on the main stage…
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4 minutes ago, beetchez said:
There will always be 'old' headliners. "Hello~ Donington!" bands as me and my friend call them, with an overly exaggerated English accent. And I'm completely fine if every year we get one to appease the older crowd.
But, there needs to be a new 'wildcard' headliner as well. Take 2014 as an example. Friday had A7X as the wildcard "will they go down well?" headliner, Saturday had the established Linkin Park, and Sunday had the legacy Aerosmith. Avenged proved themselves and were back in 2018 as an established headliner.
If say, the wildcard headliner is Twenty One Pilots or Paramore, and they get a shit reception... Then hey, they won't be booked in the near future (aside Biffy). But at least they were given the opportunity while the other days have Rammstein and AC/DC for example.
They don’t even need wildcats headliners in my opinion. They just need to start booking new bands on the main stage and not just the tents so by the time they get big enough to headline or take a major slot on the line up the old timers aren’t confused by this new fangled music.
Bring Me who are the biggest British metal act for the last few years have played the main stage once whilst the old Status Quo fans are only just recovering from discovering nu-metal is a thing. They need to be introduced to these new bands (who have been around 20th years) slowly to avoid panic! 😜
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3 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
Why there big bands that are popular with the older crowd that makes up most of Download's audience and would have headline MoR comfortably.
LOL! Do the Download regulars really hate new music that much they want Status Quo to headline?
Monsters Of Rock died off 30 years as it wasn't relevant enough then let alone today. It's fine if Download wants to be downgraded to a smaller festival but it's meant to be the pinnacle of the UK hard rock/metal scene not a country fair for your Granddad on life support to be wheeled out to by a nurse for an afternoon out. If you go to a metal night club the band shirts people are wearing are not Santana and the music that is being played is not Black Magic Woman. Just go to Ramblin Man if you are that desperate to avoid new rock.
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18 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
But were also highly unlike to want Post Malone, the 1975 or Twenty One Pilots at Download. Honestly think ADTR could headline Friday at Download now and should be the next act given the leap alongside Korn. It seems apparent that Andy can't book acts like Green Day / Foo Fighters or surely they'd have happened at some point in the past 20 years?
I mean we often forget it took 10 years for Slipknot to be elevated to headliners and they were a massive band.
If it's going to expand it's genre horizons I'd rather we just embraced the dinosaur rock full throttle and booked The Eagles / Santana / Deep Purple / Status Quo / Roger Waters / Judas Priest or McCartney in a headline slot - although I doubt they'd take whatever the headline slot payment is for the slot for Download as a fee -
If Download starts booking Status Quo and Santana to headline then it fucking deserves to die!
In it's place will come a new rock festival just like how Download replaced Monsters Of Rock.
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53 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
It's a difficult balancing act though. The last thing anybody who attends Download wants is it to merge into R+L or Glasto - the lineups have been shite for years and one of Downloads greatest selling points is that it's held onto rock unashamedly. What it needs to do is start doing what Reading and Leeds and Glasto did in the early 2000s and being the event that makes a band big. If the Thursday becomes permanent it would be ideal for it - a headline slot that you can book a slightly smaller band for and if they smash it you've got a ready made headliner of the future - if not no big deal.
Bands like Architects, FFDP, Parkway Drive, Machine Head, Enter Shikari, Frank Carter & The Rattlesnakes, Disturbed, Black Stone Cherry, Korn, who would be head spinning choices on a main night but would headline a smaller day quite nicely with no competition on other stages. Make it their biggest shop window of their careers and I'm sure most bands would nail it.
Booking new metal/hard rock band doesn't make Download suddenly Glasto or R&L for fuck sake! It's that type of shit thinking from the regulars has what lead to the doubling down to appease the double denim dinosaurs and kills off the more adventurous booking so you're stuck with the old shit like Def Leppard, Status Quos and Saxon in rotation and the handful of bands that rised through the line ups like Killswitch and Skindred. With the boomers who are into WASP and Journey going less and less every year and the younger rawk fans are put off by not having the rock they know being a major presence or even the regulars who are just sick of seeing the same old bollocks on the line up every year the festival is slipping and has been for awhile.
Go back 10-20 years and Download was managing to book new acts and old acts alot better. They gave Limp Bizkit a shot at headlining on their first festival as a statement of intent, take off the rose tinted glasses and remember when Download booked Slipknot to headline they were called angry kids music who aren't even big enough to sub reading etc. Whilst everyone may not be happy with Greta Van Fleet they are add for more value to the line up both now and for the future that alot of other bands can't, even if it somehow now makes Download Reading festival.
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5 minutes ago, BenG92 said:
Surprised Greta Van Fleet aren't a regular booking at this point, a new band that can actually keep the fossils entertained. Feels like their entire dedicated fanbase is just people who comment "now THIS is real music like what I used to listen to!" on Youtube videos.
I tried to get tixs for their Ally Pally show at the weekend but it sold out and people were picking them up too quick on Twickets. They will sell out Wembley or maybe even The O2 next. I'm not a massive fan but they are someone I want to check out and since they aren't popping up at any fests in this country it looks like it will have to be at their own show.
It's been said before but Download juts doesn't like new bands. One of the hottest bands in rock for the last few and they were booked once not even on the main stage. The fest needs a rebulbing phase like what happened to Glasto and R&L otherwise it will end up like its predecessor Monsters Of Rock and it will be their own fault.
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9 minutes ago, Spiral_Low said:
Plenty of Downloaders into 'younger bands' - just look at the love for Spiritbox - it's that BMTH have always been divisive since their beginning. This isn't just a Download thing, it's the entire UK metal scene that's split on them.
I'm not saying Metallica shouldn't have anyone against them, I'm just saying BMTH need it more. I think every headliner should have someone against them tbh.
Saxon is the typical Download band, Spiritbox were shoved onto a smaller stage so not to disturb the double denim dinosaurs. 😜
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Fuck sake! Stray From The Path have announced a show the same day as Alexisonfire are playing. I can't decided which one to go to now.