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Springsteen would be my guess. He has Euro dates lined up for next summer but no UK dates so something is holding that up like a possible festival announcement.
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5 minutes ago, Andre91 said:
Too big for that and that would absolutely play up to the shit DL habit of putting exciting acts on small stages. IDLES could easily headline second or play third down Main.
Yeah I saw them play at Brixton on a sold out 4 night run there this year, that's the type of thing legit big bands do. With them it's just perception as if IDLES really wanted to they could be a "when are they gonna headline R&L and Glasto type band" but they don't seem to give a shit about that and prefer to play small fests/venues as often as they can. Which is all the better for us rather than R&L giving them a big exclusive tag so they can't play anywhere else they will pop up at cool smaller fests like 2000 Trees instead.
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3 minutes ago, BenG92 said:
IDLES were also fantastic at Werchter but that seems to be a given at this point.
+1 for Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs Pigs, great sound. And Amyl, my Mrs was very taken with their Glasto set.
My missus likes Amly & The Sniffers too. They have a song about how Amy has to carry a knife around with her when she goes for a walk at night and when we saw them play my missus was like "thats what I do" which is both sad and funny that is what is relatable.
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6 minutes ago, justanothername said:
Turnstile playing very high on the main is the kind of booking it needs but considering this is Download they'll drop the ball and they'll play Slam Dunk instead.
Even before Glow On, Turnstile were still an exciting band that Download just neglected. A Hardcore Punk band doing Glastonbury before Download shouldn't happen.
Glasto had a few bands this year who have never played Download that should have been likely like Bob Vylan, Pigs x7, Amyl & The Sniffers, Just Mustard, Yungblud, Brass Against, etc plus Idles who somehow has have managed to play Download along with Turnstile they would make for a decent day on the second stage at Download.
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The potential of a huge mainstage mosh pit with Turnstile is far more exciting to me than Download getting Metallica to headline.
It's just a shame that Download being Download they won't book them until 3 years later once the must-see urgency is gone from them or if they did book them next year they'd stick them in a tent as the headliners play.
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They are more likely to do dual solo shows using the same site like YM@S did. I think they were gonna do that before lockdown a few years ago.
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4 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
Yes, you should go read some of my posts on the Glasto thread 😛
No thanks, your shit posts here are more than enough.
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12 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
The Status Quo suggesting was a bloody joke.
Just like Hawkwind and Eagles was a joke too right? 😜
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3 minutes ago, rivalschools.price said:
So in your search for the Download punters asking for Status Quo to headline, you found one single person? (And even that one didn’t say BMTH aren’t big enough, just that BMTH fans won’t get it)
I hope you don’t normally use a single social media poster as a means of gauging average opinion otherwise you’ll have a crazy view of the world.
As much as you don’t like the idea of Download being seen as out of touch it sadly is. The better fix for that is for Download to stop being the dinosaur rock festival it has become rather than you complaining I’m making fun of the silly suggestions like Status Quo to headline.
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28 minutes ago, rivalschools.price said:
Well a quick search of the words Status Quo on here just brings up people claiming that everyone is calling for Status Quo to headline, without many actually making the claim. Let alone someone saying Quo should headline and BMTH aren’t big enough.
There may be the odd one or two if you go back far enough but in general I think people are just saying it to make out the average Download is even more outdated than they actually are.
And god knows where the Saxon thing comes from, I think people have just made that up as well.
The old ‘if you repeat it often enough it becomes fact’ trick.
On 6/30/2022 at 5:41 PM, willgooneday said:Status Quo have one of the richest back catalogues of any rock band, anything less than headliner is doing them a disservice. Yes the 18 year old BMTH fangirls won't get it, but Download has a much more varied age of attendants, they had success for generations - they are totally headliners or nothing.
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9 minutes ago, rivalschools.price said:
Literally no one is calling for Status Quo or Saxon. The only time they get mentioned is when people say that the ‘double denim dinosaurs’ are calling for them, when they’re not. Even if they did, it would be a tiny tiny minority.
Saxon played in one of the tents last time they played and Quo played second stage when Linkin Park were on about 8 or 9 years ago.Even then, Linkin Park got the huge majority of the crowd, not bad for a festival full of old classic rock fans stuck in the past.
If you want to use examples of bands the old guard are looking for, you’d have more credibility if you used Maiden, Metallica or Megadeth as examples.
There are real serious suggestions of Status Quo should be headlining whilst complaining Bring Me aren’t big enough in this very thread.
Download has gotten to the point that the hyperbole jokes have become real. Lol
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51 minutes ago, Spiral_Low said:
Sub to BMTH? Would make alot of sense. Especially as everyone kept guessing Architects subbing them but that guy 'with the info' on the official forums said most people had 3 nights right apart from the subs.
(I'm not on there atm but a friend sent a screenshot)
Edit: also they aren't as big as bands like Korn or Deftones or even Machine Head so if they did headline that would be rather controversial.
I don’t think there is any new headliner Download can realistically get that wouldn’t be controversial. People are complaining about Bring Me not being big enough when they sell out arena tours and are the biggest UK metal band.
You can’t keep them happy anyway so you may as well. At least you can mosh to Parkway Drive unlike The Eagles.
Just now, Saint17 said:Saw GnR last night. Back to old tricks of being 1.5 hours late. Axl's voice gone completely and had to get Carrie Underwood to sing for him. But worth it just for the first 5 songs.
I heard Joe Elliott confirm that the current Def Leppard tour with Motley, Poison and Joan Jet is coming to Europe next year and playing some festivals. Could that be the Sunday?
Yeah I was there too, why do promoters keep trusting them when they can’t even turn up on time? I needed a piss after waiting for so long so when I go I get through the crowd and start walking up the steps only to hear them starting to play Welcome To The Jungle, fuck sake! I only went as a mate had a spare ticket, it was fun but I’m in no rush to see them again.
Def Leppard again would be be depressingly realistic for Download.
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3 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
I've heard Hotel California played at Download to be frank, there an old enough band that despite being more mainstream rock they're still highly regarded as a classic rock band. Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam are too modern and too closely tied to the grunge movement.
90s bands are too modern for Download? The festival is fucked then! lol
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17 hours ago, willgooneday said:
I mean the issue is part of Downloads appeal lies in it being appealing to the hard rock gatekeepers. There's probably a ten thousand people or so who go to Download because it's 'real rock and roll' and probably weren't creaming their pants over Biffy being a headliner this year (especially after initial promises of SOAD).
If you book Foo Fighters, Queens of the Stone Age and Pearl Jam in one year you'd soon lose almost the entirely regular contingent of the festival. The Thursday would really work as a way of addressing that and it seems an utter shame to turn round and use it double down on Metallica.
If you've got BMTH / Metallica / Guns N Roses for the weekend then having Foo Fighters / QOTSA . Pearl Jam / Green Day etc on the Thursday would add something completely different to the whole shebang. Another option could be booking The Who / The Rolling Stones / The Eagles
Booking Pearl Jam and Foo Fighters is too problematic for Download so they should book The Eagles to keep the regulars happy? You're fucking mental.
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The double denim dinosaurs consider Greta Van Fleet and Idles too R&Lish to play at Download despite them never having played R&L before but have played Download. Denzel Curry would be too much for them.
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4 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
But if Download actually booked stadium bands, they'd shift more tickets and be the bigger festival they are more than capable of. The right line up could see the festival at capacity on all four days - and at that point it has to be making enough money to book the right line up the year after. Your never gonna grow the festival booking Def Leppard.
Download has now literally accustomed its regulars to so much such shit for so long that someone like Status Quo is deemed more headliner worthy than Bring Me that any decent stadium band doesn’t want to play a fest like that.
Booking Foo Fighters or whoever wont fix the festival. It’s become out of touch of the actual rock/metal scene the same way Monsters Of Rock did, it’s even sadder that that they started booking Monster Of Rock bands to try and fix the problem too.
Book upcoming hot bands, make new must see headliners and fuck Saxon! 😜
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12 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
It's really not a mid-sized festival - it has a capacity of 110,000 - a capacity it came pretty close to reaching for Guns N Roses and Ozzy's days as recently as 2018. 2019 was naturally a smaller festival in large part due to the atrocious weather and thousands of people going home/not buying day tickets.
Someone with more knowledge might know but I'm assuming it'll have done the same for Maiden this year.
Also for those swinging in the air about dates. It's gonna depend massively on whether the late October/early November think is because that's when they normally finish booking or for commercial purposes. Obviously we know they've booked headliners but the 5 festivals have all been announced October-November.
2015 Headliners - 19th November 2014
2016 Headliners - 21st October 2015
2017 Headliners - 3rd November 2016
2018 Headliners 6th November 2017 - 13th November 2017 (
2019 Headliners - 23rd October 2018 -
Download has not been close to filling its max capacity for at least a decade. Victorious for example does almost the same number of punters as Download but is secure enough to know it’s a mid-sized fest as there’s nothing wrong with that.
It’s this toxic insular thinking that is killing the fest. “Only stadium bands like Green Day or Metallica should be allowed to headline” but as Download can’t afford them you end up with Def Leppard headlining 3 times 10 years! There’s nothing wrong with Download booking non-stadium bands as headliners and it’s alot healthier if the regulars realise that as it opens the doors to more interesting line ups.
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Just now, willgooneday said:
Calling the other stage a main stage doesn't make it a main stage. Especially as it would be impossible to watch both sets.
You can watch both sets and they are literally both called main stage as they are main stages.
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18 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
How many Download headliners are subs at Reading? Almost all of them are outright headliners, they're definitely a weaker headliner especially as like A7X they're pretty divisive among a Download audience.
Bring Me are headlining, there’s two main stages at R&L.
System who are one of the biggest headliners Download can actually get subbed Reading. Download is really a mid-sized festival nowadays, it was downsized whilst people were watching Saxon but didn’t notice. Even if an act subs R&L there’s a good chance they are a decent headliner for Download size wise as R&L is a bigger festival.
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Just now, willgooneday said:
So based on all of this?
Metallica / Judas Priest
Bring Me the Horizon / Architects
Metallica / Parkway Drive
Guns N Roses / Def Leppard
Although maybe Priest and Leppard could both be counted as weak headliner/strong sub. Haven't got a clue who you put in other against them though.
Meh, I’d skip Download if that was announced.
Considering Download is so skint that to have Metallica play at all they need to have them play twice they aren’t wasting a cheap headliner like Def Leppard as a sub. Also Judas Priest aren’t a headliner. I wouldn’t take GnR as the 4th just yet. Andre doesn’t talk shit but he could be told something which is wrong and is repeating it in good faith. I’m skeptical Copping would fork out that much money for them when they have ‘tallica already.
Once folk get past this boring insular (but usually correct) thinking of what a Download band is there’s so many more possibilities of what it a strong sub/weak headliner could be. Prodigy, Five Finger Death Punch, Deep Purple, The Scorpions, The Black Keys, Roger Waters, Ghost, Blink 182, Nine Inch Nails, Queens Of The Stone Age, Royal Blood, Fall Out Boy, Kings Of Leon etc.
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9 hours ago, she bangs the drums said:
I've just been to see Guns n Roses, the sound was absolutely shocking for the first 7 songs, and even after this when they turned it up to a level which you couldn't hear other people's conversations over the band it was not great.
Maybe the band are just not the great anymore?
Well people being incredibly happy that Axl shows up on time is how low the bar is set for them!
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6 hours ago, a6l6e6x said:
Hearing this is another event with massive queues for everything. What is going on in the industry?
It’s a mix of Brexit and covid creating a shortage of volunteers working festivals this this year which is why a lot of festivals are struggling although I’d thought something like BST would have been hiring paid staff though.
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24 minutes ago, beetchez said:
A comment on Facebook suggested Metallica/Ozzy/Metallica/SOAD with a shit-ton of likes. Subs being Alter Bridge, Rob Zombie, Slash and Black Stone Cherry.
I would honestly lose hope if that were the lineup. The festival needs new bands. Even a band like Bon Jovi would be somewhat different.
They are having a laugh with Ozzy. He's got his own dates which have been pushed back for years now then throw in his health issues it would be mad for them to book him.
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5 minutes ago, Andre91 said:
All of the above is correct. The GNR source is a mate who gets info quite regularly who also corroborated the Metallica x2 & BMTH news. I’m not as confident on GNR ad those two because they’ve been stated by two separate sources.
I’ve seen a lot of GNR clips on TikTok the last week or so and he sounds atrocious.
Ah shit, oh well I will get extra drunk then to enjoy myself!
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Nothing But Thieves subbing.
Nothing are normally good live even if they are boring to listen to on record, aren’t indie or arty and cross over with hard rock well plus they give the illusion of the fest being more mainstream than it actually is with their name on the line up.