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10 minutes ago, NorthernSoul52 said:
I've missed a few steps here - where is the Metallica on two nights chatter coming from? Presumably because they did Welcome to Rockville as a double-header last year?
Would assume one night is a heavy hits affair and another would be an anniversary record in full.
On the Download forums someone who's usually in the know has said it's Metallica x2, Bring Me with Architects subbing and another band is booked who are a weak headliner/strong sub is also playing. Andre also reckons Guns n Roses are the 4th headliner too.
Speaking of Guns has anyone seen them in the last few years? I'm seeing them tomorrow and I'm curious if Axl is voiced is fucked or not.
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5 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
You know bands can reform?
In what way is Zeal & Ardour subbing mad? - they are an incredible live band - okay they don't shift records but most people will want to see them.
Supposed you could swap Machine Head and Yard Act
Dimebag is dead and Phil is racist c**t.
I like them but Zeal & Ardor aren't even close to sub level, most people don't even know who they are. They were supporting Meshuggah a few weeks ago on tour.
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15 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
Ok seen as I've been criticised for too much old shit in my previous attempts.
Thursday
Main - Metallica / Judas Priest / Sabaton / Sevendust
Other - Enter Shikari
Avalanche - Reel Big Fish / Mighty Bosstones
Friday
Main - Bring Me the Horizon / Yungblud / Creeper / Pantera
Other - Halestorm
Avalanche - Less Than Jake
Saturday
Main - Metallica / Parkway Drive / Turnstile / Thunder
Other - Idles
Avalanche - Machine Head
Sunday
Main - Slipknot / Zeal and Ardor / Badflower / Cheap Trick
Other - Yard Act
Avalanche - Kid Brunswick
Some of those acts are way too high like Yard Art, Badflower and Creeper but especially Zeal & Ardor subbing is even madder than Hawkwind subbing. Pantera and Bosstones have broke up.
Also why is Machine Head in a tent? They will draw a massive crowd!
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12 hours ago, thewayiam said:
But rock for me at least, was far better 10 years ago than today. Even the rock/metal bands I think were better imo then. I've rough estimated 10 years.
No offence but you don't have the most robust taste in music now or then. 😜
In terms of the UK louder non-indie rock scene I completely disagree. 20-10 years ago the UK biggest current acts were stuff like Bullet For My Valentine, Funeral For A Friend, Enter Shikari, Lost Prophets, You Me @ Six!, The Darkness and Biffy Clyro who are respectable enough but in the last 10 years since you have While She Sleeps, Architects, Bring Me The Horizon, Frank Carter, Slaves and IDLES with the first three basically smashing metal like nu-metal or thrash did before it as well as IDLES being a figurehead of shouty post-punk.
Although I did love The Eighties Matchbox B-Line Disaster and Gallows backintheday but they were bands that never got to the next level to matter sadly.
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42 minutes ago, Jericode said:
The absolute best thing they could do is just turn one day into a "plus-sized Slam Dunk", all the pop punk bands are over a week or two before anyway and with the larger size they can get the bigger bands from that scene who won't drop back down to play it.
Thing is there's already a dedicated punk stage already so stuff like Fall Out Boy shouldn't be seen as a crazy suggestion that needs to book loads of pop punk on the main stage to support such a radical booking.
Once it's accepted that Download DOES NOT get stadium bands to headline all that often and never really have the real issue can be addressed. The line ups are getting worse, go back to the 00s and look at a few posters and you will see Killswitch Engage, Lamb Of God, Disturbed etc on the main stage which are a lot of the same bands as now however that was 20 years ago when these were new fresh bands so that combined with how they have brought in all of these Monsters Of Rock acts has dented the festival. It's lot easier to accept new blood headliners when the insular thinking of the Downloaders is not more of the same which they have been accustomed to now.
It needs a rebuilding phase like with what happened to Glasto and R&L and by that I mean a fresher booker in addition to Copping (even Michael Eavis clocked onto he doesn't know modern music anymore decades ago) who will place more value on new exciting bands being talked about than looking at Monsters Of Rock and 00s Download line ups for inspiration to plug holes on the card so younger punters will come, put a new emphasis on the main stage from top to bottom as there's fuck all reason why the bottom of the card should look so boring every year and add some curve ball bookings to spice things up. With a stronger and more interesting line up booking headliners like Queens Of The Stone Age, Nine Inch Nails or Fall Out Boy would not seem such a gamble as people are there for the day anyway unlike now which is driven by headliners and with younger fans there now they are excited for Ghost, Bring Me or Royal Blood headlining and their enthusiasm may even infect the crusty old Saxon fans into seeing them too. It's that or have Status Quo headline! 😜
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27 minutes ago, Andre91 said:
Metallica are almost certainly doing two nights.
It’s Linkin Park’s fault. The old guard could accept band like KoRn, Slipknot and Deftones but then LP came along with Hybrid Theory and that crowd went ‘Nah, that’s enough for us’ because they looked in no way like a ‘traditional metal band’ and sounded way more poppy than anything before on their scale.
It’s no coincidence that a band like Maiden, who were in the gutter in the 90s got a massive resurgence in the early 00s once LP broke. Also bands like Megadeth and Slayer, who weren’t in a good place, got a massive boost again because they all dug their denim and leather out and dug their heels into the ground about what was ‘traditional’ and what wasn’t.
For all the new, young fans LP brought in (myself included), they alienated just as many.
I always gave credit to that Wheatus song for reviving Iron Maiden. It probably was a resurgent of metal in general but I just think it’s funnier that Iron Maiden owe Wheatus one and should have them as their support on their next tour!
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It is a weird thing that a lot of younger rock fans aren’t put off by listening to older music, getting a shirt for band that started before they were born and going to see the old bands play. It doesn’t even matter if they aren’t someone the status of Metallica or Guns n Roses either as long as they are decent.
However on the other side older rock fans seem to have a harder time listening to and accepting new rock for whatever reason. It’s fucking annoying that I will go to a family thing and some uncle I barely know will start talking and expecting me to know about some old rock band from their time they like but if suggest a newer band to them of similar ilk (which is still way before my time) like say Monster Magnet they will still have fuck no interest as it’s modern.
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6 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
Weren't BMTH supposed to be playing this?
That was 3 years ago.
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5 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
Status Quo have one of the richest back catalogues of any rock band, anything less than headliner is doing them a disservice. Yes the 18 year old BMTH fangirls won't get it, but Download has a much more varied age of attendants, they had success for generations - they are totally headliners or nothing.
Status Quo have played before but didn't headline...
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20 minutes ago, Chad888 said:
You said the exact same about Aitch and Ardee.
I'd love to know how acts with no history, release their first song that barely charts but they get 24/7 radio coverage, constant features on tv and radio shows, instant main stages at festivals like R&L booked before they'd even released label albums.
One of the joys of getting old is discovering that there is new music which you don't understand! 😜
There are always new acts breaking through all of the time but it's not because Yungblud or whoever are part of a sinister conspiracy where the lizard people are working with QAnon to brainwash people into buying albums or have a song on loop on Spotify for the evil purpose of bumping them up a few slots at a shit music festival. They were given a shot, smashed it and from there the ball got rolling so they take another step which makes them connect with more people, then they take another step.
For as many Wet Leg or Yungbluds there are loads more acts given a similar shot but it doesn't work for whatever reason so the momentum never starts for them. Music is fickle, there's no formula to become successful especially with indie/alt type acts.
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29 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
Machine Head are outright headliners.
Nah, they had to moved their Aly Pally show to Brixton last time and their co-headline show at Wembley has alot of tixs left sadly.
They will go down a fucking storm with the crowd but it's a fucking laugh people are talking about how Ghost and Bring Me aren't headliners yet Machine Head and Status Quo are.
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33 minutes ago, Spiral_Low said:
Using the rumours and guesswork:
Thurs -
Main only: Metallica / Alice In Chains / Machine Head / Amon Amarth / Testament / Exodus / Death Angel
Fri -
Main: BMTH / Architects / Halestorm / NOFX / Poppy / Fever 333 / Nova Twins / Bloodywood
Second: The Offspring / The Distillers
Sat -
Main: Metallica / Faith No More / Lamb Of God / Anthrax / Soulfly / L7 / Devildriver / Diamond Head
Second: Killswitch Engage / Hatebreed
Sun -
Main: Slipknot / Nightwish / Cyprus Hill / Jinjer / Spiritbox / Code Orange / Vended
Second: Parkway Drive / Opeth
Changed my mind about Ghost and Sabaton being there I think they will do 2024. Think Gojira at Bloodstock.
Edit - basically the 2 Metallica days as very thrash/metal with some of their pals too. BMTH as the 'new' day (ok not NOFX but can see them popping up). Slipknot as very Knotfest.
I can only see Machine Head either headlining the second stage with a super long set or maybe sub Metallica (and only Metallica since they respect them) with an almost headliners long set. It's gonna be hard work to get them so in the unlikely event they do play some sort of a special concession will have to be made for them imo. But as long as they aren't demanding to headline or are asking for a fee equal to Metallica then give them what they want, they are probably the most exciting non-headliner booking they can make for the fest.
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21 minutes ago, a6l6e6x said:
Got the festival fever from glasto, how does this compare?
Decent people generally?
Good nightlife?
This year is going through some changes but my past experiences with it have been fantastic, probably my favourite fest even if I'm not going this year. Good people, there's stages run into late into the night, loads of different genres, atmosphere is amazing, you will discover loads of new music, good food and drink options etc.
The best tip I can give you is thinking of it as a free flowing overall experience and don't focus in too much on following a clashfinder as you will discover and enjoy yourself so much more that way.
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Fuck me, it's one of those rare days people can actually agree with Barry Fish about something!
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If we are gonna keep suggesting old shit like Whitesnake and Hawkwind could we at least name cool old shit like Roger Waters, Robert Plant or Alice Cooper instead?
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3 minutes ago, Chad888 said:
Wet Leg are the same industry plants as Yungblud. He was playing 3rd down when he had 3 songs I think? Hope for the underrated youth, cotton candy, I think I'm okay...
Its manufactured consent. They have family friendly genre plants and force them in to out vision, and give them artificially inflated places on line ups so that the paying public think they're bigger than they are, so next time they're put headlining we shrug our shoulders, hand over our cash and say "it was coming they played 3rd last time"
Rubbish, I don't like Yungblud but he sold shit loads of tixs on his last tour on par with arena acts.
I thought you were complaining about Wet Leg have sexed up lyrics or some rubbish like that but you're calling them family friendly now?
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11 hours ago, NorthernSoul52 said:
Olivia Rodrigo packed them in, from what I heard. Not sure on the size of Megan Thee Stallion's crowd, but would argue she'd pull a bigger audience at Reading and Leeds regardless.
If Sam Fender is not nailed on here to finish off touring commitments behind Seventeen Going Under, I'll eat my (chocolate) hat. Takes the lion's share of 2024 off to cut and release the new record, then gears up through 2025 and 2026 with a Glastonbury headline slot on the way. (At least, that tallies with my Glastonbury headliner predictions!)
If Reading and Leeds can swing for them, then The Killers - who by all accounts are not hugely pricey - would be an excellent MSE headline booking. Give them eighty-five minutes and get something like this:
When You Were Young
Jenny Was a Friend of Mine
Spaceman
Smile Like You Mean It
Shot at the Night
Run for Cover
Quiet Town
Somebody Told Me
For Reasons Unknown
Runaways
Read My Mind
This Is Your Life
Caution
All These Things That I've Done
The Man
Human
Mr. BrightsideThere's a championship-winning singalong every three or four songs there, if you get the structure right. (It is also quite a tickler that they'd effectively be bill-matched with Sam Fender merely a year and a bit on from being supported by the latter.)
I saw The Killers a few weeks ago, it was a free ticket from a mate I've not seen before covid otherwise I wouldn't have bothered, is it me does Brandon Flowers remind you of Andrew Garfiled as that televangelist in The Eyes of Tammy Faye?
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To me Judas Priest are ones of those inflated bands where people think they alot bigger than they actually are (like how people think Download has only stadium headliners despite the majority of years not having any stadium bands play) so second stage headliners seem like a perfect spot in my opinion.
I can't see them playing to be honest, they are in a contract to support Ozzy on his last UK tour which until he finally cancels it they seem unable to play in the UK.
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21 minutes ago, Andre91 said:
FLOBOTS. You’re mental.
It’s like Rage Against The Machine but with a violin! Of all the nutty shit that comes from Chad its one of few the ideas I like. Third is insane though, they’d be lucky to be on BBC introducing stage even if they could afford the plane ride over here.
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8 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
RHCP setlist posted on Copping's instagram if I've got the right one? Would be too interesting a booking right?
They are fucking shit live, worse than even Status Quo!
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45 minutes ago, BenG92 said:
Not to mention Korn should 110% be headliners by now.
If KoRn took a long enough break away from the fest they would be a headliner upon their return imo. I think it's tied between KoRn and Biffy as the band that has played Download the most but as they are playing so often it's made the punters too accustomed to them not headlining to accept them. It would do wonders for them instead of playing Download on a new album to miss Download completely and do a full proper tour which they haven't done since that co-headline thing with Limp Bizkit ages ago.
Speaking of it's really shocking that a band that has played Download so many times like Biffy are not more widely accepted as a Download band. You'd think they are Harry Styles or Radiohead the way some talk about them.
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It's mental people keep going on about how Download needs "big" headliners like Metallica who haven't played in 10 years so Bring Me or Ghost wont do when Def Leppard have headlined three times in the space of 10 years!
29 minutes ago, willgooneday said:Ok so if we accept that headliners are moving away from bands who play stadiums for rock festivals to bands who sell out arenas - here's a list of bands who've played the 02 arena in London or the Manchester Arena since 2018 and could be considered remotely Download type bands.
Alice Cooper
Alter Bridge
Arcade Fire
Biffy Clyro
Billy Idol
Black Stone Cherry
Bring Me the Horizon
Deep Purple
Def Leppard
Eagles
Fall Out Boy
Ghost
Gorrillaz
Hollywood Vampires
Iron Maiden
Killswitch Engage
KISS
Machine Head
Mark Knopfler
Massive Attack
mewithoutYou / Paramore
Muse
Nickleback
Nightwish
Ozzy Osbourne
Panic at the Disco
Parkway Drive
Pearl Jam
Queen - Adam Lambert
Royal Blood
Slayer
Slipknot
The Darkness
The Offspring
Thirty Seconds to Mars
Tool / Brass Against
Whitesnake
Within Temptation & EvanescenceSo Massive Attack, Brass Against and Gorillaz to headline Download and save the festival!!
Why are you including the support bands and bands that have broke up? Killswitch and The Darkness supporting other people doesn't mean they sold out the O2 arena. Mark Knopfler and Slayer have called it quits and Slayer was at Wembley, not the O2.
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19 minutes ago, willgooneday said:
We're focussing on headliners because headliners sell tickets.
To an extent but festivals can sell tixs even with shit headliners as long as it has a strong undercard as well as a strong headliner with a shit undercard can also put people off from buying tixs. A good line up is far, FAR greater than the sum of it's parts as well as having foresight. A band on the middle of the card that smashes it means next time they play the fest they seem like a bigger band despite not getting bigger.
Download booking loads of shit throughout the day has put me off from it now.
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25 minutes ago, Spiral_Low said:
Still think you are all focusing way too much on headliners. The way the festival sustains itself is by helping grow bands to fill the big slots, be it headliner, sub, third or whatever. And they need to start lower down on bill first.
Personally I think they need to utilize main stage mid afternoon slots more. Put bands like Spiritbox and Jinjer on like 5th and 6th on main stage. Also have bands like Bloodywood and Zeal & Ardor on early. These are all bands on the up atm that appeal to a metal crowd and some of the rock crowd too. Showcase the talent, help them grow, and they could be filling big slots in the future.
And there's new bands like Heriot and Ithaca emerging - don't just tuck them away on 4th stage, give them slots on 2nd even if it's opening or whatever.
Oh I completely agree.
My main issue with Download is that it is
mainstagetop of the bill oriented rather a full day of fun. One of the oldest festival booker tricks is to fill the lower end of the stages with new/upcoming bands so it seems stronger. Like Wayward Sons are never gonna be much bigger than they are but a band that is of similar size to them at that moment they are booked like Bob Vylan, Hot Milk, Bleed From Within or whoever that are being talked about in general then it's a more appealing line up without having to spend more on bigger acts.-
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Ozzy is in June so I don't think Judas could be added to the poster until a few days before the fest if it is Ozzy blocking them playing in the UK.