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£62 all in Wolves, Balcony seated (row B)

The AXS queue for Wolves doesn't even tell you your position. Or maybe it's just more honest.

Wouldn't be able to so guess I'd be paying someone to do it for me! You could register twice, give the public one a go and share it and keep a private one for you and close friends, so you can't be any worse off than before.

You can get multiple numbers inexpensively and run them as a mini call-centre from your home PC. It'd cost some money but so do VPNs.

Big difference between asking folk to bring you drink "in" and saying you'll meet them in the car park when they arrive and grab it then! I'd suggest if it's the latter you're asking to make that clear!

The festival do a good job at communicating stuff like that. The one year where it was miserable even into Wednesday afternoon, they were actively telling people to stay home and not to head in as there were hours of queues on the roads. People would just have to actually listen to that. 2 hour plus queues don't form suddenly.

I think that's part of it, but if you look at one of the big criticisms you see from older people of Gen-Z it's often "oh they're all bank of Mum and Dad vegans obsessed with trans rights and the environment" - and while that's a broad stereotype, I think it's fair to say that this group does exist and it's a group that in the past for whom Glastonbury would have very much been part of the calendar. And I'm not sure it's actually managed to reel them in as it stands. (And just for the elimination of any doubt - I think those young people are great and very much support them!)

From what people are saying, it sounds like the festival is attracting the "wrong sort" of young people. I don't mean that in a negative way, people should live how they want and stuff, but just compared to what it's been in the past. Like, Glastonbury should be the obvious home for politically fired-up, environment-conscious Gen-Zs. But rather than the alt-kids, we're getting the "cool" kids. (Again, nothing against either group, but when I was in my 20s, Glasto was where us weirdos went, the cool kids wouldn't have been seen dead there)

I think this is the biggest existential threat to the festival. How well Glasto's cultural cachet translates to social media is going to be a big part of it. Coachella has done it very well. Glasto can't rely on UK TV coverage by the BBC to make it into a country-wide "moment" any more though - because it's social media that drives that now, more so than TV. Plus we have this shift to bands going from making money selling records, with live shows and festival meaning discover and more sales, to live shows being the primary money-maker for bands, and streaming helping sell tickets for gigs. So playing live "not for money" is much rarer. Glasto can still position itself as a unique opportunity in this space, but I think they'll increasingly come across acts that will flat out not consider that sort of show on principle. I mean, such bands have always existed and it's why we never saw Fleetwood Mac for example, but I think a lot of the big new acts coming up will have a similar approach.

I think R&L probably are buggered to be honest. Them and Glasto are the two "big headliners" festivals left in the UK. Glasto is unique and could still navigate its way but it'll be along its own unique path.

I don't think GnR are a mis-step in terms of large headliners but I do think Neil has a good point in general that the expectation for headliners has been set very high over the past few festivals, far higher than it was five festivals ago. Now the festival sold out fine five years ago, so it should still be fine, but there's a question around when you raise expectations that high, what happens if on one year you can't meet them.

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I don't have the first clue who 99% of people I see at Glastonbury vote for, and the remaining 1% are when I'm at Leftfield. Unless there's a Corbyn rally on the Pyramid or something. And even then they might just be waiting for Run The Jewels. That's how I'm defining "keeping your head down".

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Again, that's the view in my head of how someone "being openly Tory at Glasto" acts. Is it ridiculous? Yes. But I've asked you three times to tell me what it actually looks like in your head and you've not done so. How do most Tories act at Glasto? By not mentioning it and "keeping their heads down." How do most Labour voters act at Glasto? By not mentioning it and "keeping their heads down." For someone to be identifiably Tory at Glasto, they must be doing so *loudly* otherwise we wouldn't know. I'm happy to concede I might be missing something, but you gotta give me something here. What's the "Tory behaviour" you think should be allowed but we are saying should be discouraged? Specific, actual, behaviour. Not philosophical "right to be your whole authentic self" bollocks. Behaviours that would mark someone out as a Tory that wouldn't upset anyone else and would realistically happen at a festival. Because I'm drawing a blank mate.

True. We want to subdue and discourage them from saying Tory stuff because it's often hurtful and offensive. And they'll get stick for it which they likely won't enjoy in return. Nope. They are liked. If they would normally go about being loudly Tory and chanting the Tory manifesto, yes, we don't want them acting that way. If they'd normally be dicks because they don't believe in helping others than yes, we don't want them acting that way either. We want people to pick up others that fall over in the crowd. If, like 99.9% of people, their party political affiliation has 0% influence on how they act day to day, then it really doesn't matter either way.

Maybe belittling people in crowds, chanting something childish at people, sending them a snowflake meme? This is the point being made: if someone is openly Tory at Glastonbury, they will be met with an equal and opposite force. If they start spouting nonsense, they'll get told why they are stupid. If they start shouting, they will be shouted back at. Things that, in the real world, they may not be used to. Hence people might advise, maybe keep quiet about it. If you're happy being met with equal and opposite force then by all means knock yourself out. If you don't want that, maybe keep it to yourself. Because you're out of your depth.

How do you behave in a way that's openly Tory *without* harming or upsetting anyone? Like I say, it's a festival, we're not going around going "hey, I vote for Labour, but it's cool, I don't mind who you vote for, let's dance". I think you're arguing something theoretical, which I don't disagree with on that level, but we're arguing something practical. If someone goes around openly shouting Tory phrases or whatever they're going to get stick back. But the aggression there is going in both directions.

But what does that actually look like? What is this theoretical person doing to openly display that they're a Tory?

Okay - can I just ask, as I think it's the core of what we're misunderstanding here - what do you think "a Tory voter *not* keeping their head down" looks like? Because I'm struggling to understand what you think that is. There's not really any opportunities nor reason at the festival to go "hey I'm a Tory, but I'm cool and lets not make anything of it". People aren't self-identifying as Tory (ie. not keeping their head down) unless they're being a dick about it. And if they're then met with lefties being dicks back to them... well yeah. (The exception here is the Leftfield debates which aren't interested in hearing other points of view, which I find to be a shame and have said as much in the past, as they're meant to be, y'know, debates - and I'm not a fan of how people who have bought up more conservative views have been treated at them in the past. But then, it's the "Left" field)

Fuck Rishi. Oh man. Fuck Boris! If only someone had said that at Glasto. Would never happen though. When people chant "fuck the Tories" they mean the party, not the voters. I mean there's a long tradition of the lefty chant being "fuck [the current Tory leader/PM]" but the problem at the moment is we're running out of songs. "Fuck the Tories" is safer as you won't end up out of date.

Why not? The two aren't comparable at all. "Oh but Corbyn complained about Trump's wall in a house and that has walls too, what a hypocrite" ... I don't even... I'm sorry, I don't want to be rude, but it's such a *stupid* point. It's funny, like I say, it's a good gag, and there's irony to it for sure. But something being ironic doesn't make it wrong in any way shape or form. You know what is comparable? Brexit. Brexit was our "wall". It was sold with the exact same intentions: keep immigrants out. And Corbyn was in favour of Brexit. He supported our wall. He was against Trump's. That was a problem for me and a lot of other Labour voters. That's the actual political Corbyn wall point. It's more subtle, it's not as funny, but it actually stands up.

Look - your comment about the irony of Corbyn talking about Trump's wall in Glastonbury, surrounded by a huge wall keeping people out? You know what that was? Fucking funny. Great gag. Sort of thing Hislop would say on Have I Got News For You. There's irony there. It's a fun observation. What it's not? A salient political point. It's not even a political point at all. A wall built as border control to stop immigration from one country to another is an entirely different thing to a wall built to keep people out of a commercial, ticketed event. The only thing they have in common is they are "walls". And the reason I point this out is because you can be a Tory and make those sort of observations in the pub and everyone will go "oh haha, yeah stupid liberals" and you'll feel good about yourself. But you make that sort of observation at Glastonbury, as if it's an actual political point and not a gag, and a lot of people far smarter and more politically engaged that you will explain to you exactly why it's total nonsense and may well not do so in the most friendly way either. And that's why people are saying "keep your Tory views to yourself" when it comes to Glasto. If you want to learn, if you want a conversation, if you want to say, "look, I believe this because of these things but I'm happy to hear why I might be wrong and maybe we can have a conversation" that's totally fine. No-one is going to have a go at you for that. If you're a lifelong free-market capitalist and truly believe in the system and have done all the reading and can also acknowledge how the Tories have entirely corrupted it but Labour would make it even worse, sure, knock yourself out. But if you're just going to go around quoting the meaningless soundbites and point scoring on which modern Tory populism is based, the "hurhur, Corbyn's against Trump's wall but pro-Eavis', he must be wrong about everything" then you're going to find yourself hopelessly outmatched.

No, but you can start a chant of "Fuck God/Allah/Yaweh" if you want.