Ozanne

I posted that Starmer was the most successful by-election Labour leader then you went and compared the votes from a by-election to a general election, which as you know aren't comparable.

He is a lucky General that is for sure either that or he’s just so great at this political game 😉

History shows us that voters tends to vote for people that incremental, competent change. When given the option in 2017 and 2019 of fairly radical change they chose the opposite on both occasions. Then when the opposition gives them the choice of something less radical it appears the voters are more receptive. These people that claim the public want this transformational change always fail to ignore the fact that when given that option the public said no and even sided with Theresa May.

Don’t worry we’ll get that chance soon enough with Starmer.

You are comparing a by-election to a general election, of course votes cast will be different. I’m sorry that Starmer actually managing to win elections.

It could also be framed as Starmer is the by-election GOAT.

Starmer is the most successful by-election Labour leader ever.

Canada 1993 looking like a possibility especially if Reform continue to take votes off the Tories and there's no reason to think they won't stand in every seat.

(That's what she said).

2nd largest ever swing and remember this isn’t mid-terms anymore!

He also said the only reason he was at the count was because he presents a show on GB News. The state of the Tories.

Wellingborough was a 28.55% swing to Labour. f**k me!

Incredible! Labour win both safe Tory seats!

A recession is a recession. If it is a 'mild' one that won't be of any comfort to loads of people who are struggling to make ends meet. It's Tory spin to make the situation not seem as bad so they get let off.

Potentially not as GDP per head has fallen for the last seven quarters, which is the longest continual decline since modern records began in 1955.

This clip is brilliant, Lucy Powell does so well here. I agree with you about BBC bias. Laura K has always been a massive Johnson fan ands gives Tories an easy ride on her show, Fiona Bruce is near enough confirmed as Tory to me given how she handles Tory/Labour MPs on QT and then just look at their coverage of the recession today, they called it 'mild' when if you dig deeper the data says otherwise.

Starmer was definitely the best option of the candidates back in 2020 and probably the best option of all Labour MPs at the time. Long-Bailey would've been ousted as leader long before now, she probably wouldn't have made it much past the report into anti-semitism.

That was kinda what my question was about, as I don't remember much of that type of thing back then but I wasn't paying as much attention to it either.

Yeah that's true, I was thinking more of Labour members that have needed to be booted out. Saying that though, were those members saying the type of anti-semitic comments back then that they are now? Genuine question as I was quite young back then.

New Labour didn't need to kick as many people out, Kinnock had done that hard work in the years before. Remember people were saying that Starmer would need to be a Kinnock-like figure at first.

He will never admit that Starmer has done a good job on anything, he's just anti-Labour so will jump on any excuse to moan about him. I think most people won't really be bothered by the Rochdale story and if they hear about it will think it's good the guy has been suspended. They won't sit there and bemoan the hours it took to get there.

It also goes to the type of thing Labour is up against when you look at the hysteria ay the beginning of the week over this Rochdale thing in the media and people online; then last night when the Tories suspended a Mayor for anti-semitic behaviour there was barely any noise at all. It highlights the double standards that quite a lot have for both parties.

*kiss of death* but probably yes.

Those people will always moan about anything Starmer does, as they don't want Labour to win the next election.

The public generally agree with you too, it shows that the first they really heard of the Rochdale story was when they heard Starmer suspended him (not the time it took to do it) and also shows that they realise he has done a fair bit to combat anti-semitism but there is still more to do. Not everyone was clued into the story to realise how long it did or didn't take Starmer to make the decision, the main thing is that he took action.