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I guess we'll see what kind of support they have come polling day.

The council stuff will certainly have made a difference and as Savlia said Caroline Lucas did have a lot of personal support. That said, the Brighton Pavilion seat is full of lefties and I expect Labour’s more centrist approach will not be to everyone’s taste. We’re talking about turning around 20,000 majority. That’s a mission and a half. I reckon the gap will close, but ultimately it’ll stay Green and that’s who I’m voting for.

Every day is a school day. If you didn't know it was a racist term, you do now! Probably good to edit/delete it.

If you fancy a bit of pay wall avoiding (freeloading 😉), you can run most paywall sites through an archive website by copy pasting the URL into this http://archive.is and can then view the archived page without the paywall.

I reckon we'll get another Green in Brighton even without Lucas.

I was just insisting that the pledge had changed and that was more in response to you denying that it had than anything else.

Actually, I've not been critical of the policy at all, I've just said it's a change from the original pledge (which it is). The most critical thing I said was that the change was a bit disappointing...but I also said it was "ultimately probably sensible" in the same sentence. As a side to that, it's entirely ok for a person to support a party and criticise them or not like some of their MPs or policies or whatever if they so choose. People can say what they want and vote for who they want... that's how the system works! It's up to the Politicians to try and win us all over and they don't get it right every time. Far from it.

Agreed, I don't think they will have changed anything. Just thought that "Incoming Shortly" sounded more specific.

The pledge was to spend 28b every year starting as soon as Labour got into government: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/27/labour-promises-spend-28bn-year-tackling-climate-crisis "Reeves, the shadow chancellor who has stressed the party’s commitment to fiscal responsibility, told Labour’s conference in Brighton she would be “the first green chancellor” and that the costs of climate change would be greater if the government did not invest now. The party is pledging an additional £28bn of green capital investment a year until 2030 – equivalent to more than half the current defence budget. Under Labour, Reeves said, there would “no dither, no delay” in tackling the crisis." Rachel Reeves herself stated that it was important for the money to be invested sooner rather than later (see comments above). So that the UK can begin benefitting and improving imminently. Labour may well end up spending the equivalent of that by 2030, and if they do that it'll be a fantastic achievement... but it's still not what was originally pledged. That is a fact. It may also be true that the pledge had to change because of factors beyond Labour's control because the Tory government have made a complete sh*t show of the economy. But... the pledge has still changed. That is a fact. My personal feelings: I understand the climb down, I think it's a bit disappointing but ultimately probably sensible and hopefully Labour will be more careful about overcommitting when it comes to hot topic policy like the environment. I'm not having a go, they still have my support... I'm just not going to pretend it hasn't happened.

If we get to clean energy by 2030, that's great and a massive achievement for Labour! But unless they spend £28bn a year, every year to 2030... then yes, they've climbed back on a pledge. That's a fact.

I look forward to PMQs (and political campaigns) when we finally get the live AI fact-checking bots.

This on GM FB today... incoming sounds better than 'Next couple of months' which was the answer yesterday.

This is such a weird take. Plenty of people work for tickets/food, of course, the cost of that is covered by punters' tickets... who in exchange get to go to a festival that has people working in it... which makes it run. That's how the whole thing works. Did you know all the 'freeloading' bands also get free food and tickets?

You do you man, but I don't think there's any conspiracy here. If you're suggesting that there might be people claiming to be anti-Tory who are actually secret Tory supporters... that's pretty out there!

Are you talking about the general population or discussions in these forums?

So you've said a few times. The thing is, it's not like people are being critical of Labour AND giving the Conservatives a big free pass. Most of them will vote Labour and the Tories won't even get a look in. Casting a critical eye on a political party before you lend them your support (I very intentionally use the word support instead of vote) is the right thing to do.

Not sure about the headliners but based on who's about I reckon we'll have some of: Sleater-Kinney, Nation of Language, Heartworms, Baxter Drury, Hotwax, Lankum, Mary in the Junkyard, Tapir, The Reds the Pinks the Purples. Would be nice to get some news soon!

Holds up the “We know the Tories are sh*t and expect more from Labour” sign.

ZING! We have a winner.

Had a Labour canvasser at the door this week. I told him I'm rooting for Labour but will be voting Green.

Green Man?

Something would be nice! I wanna start finding my new favourite bands.

Pretty grim.

I think it’ll have to go that way! Tax companies that are making lots of money but not hiring people. I’m sure they’ll all wilfully go for it as well and won’t need to be dragged kicking and screaming or try and find ways around it 😂