Justiceforcedave

Original pledge changed. Goal remains. We got there in the end! 😎

“The Observer understands that as well as backing away from its £28bn a year commitment on green investment (while sticking to the overall drive to achieve clean energy by 2030), Labour will not seek to legislate on the creation of a new national care service in its first king’s speech.”

And this! But the same still applies when Ozanne responds.

You insist. They insist. You insist. They insist. Round and round we go!

I don't think anyone is especially fixated on the cost, more on the fact that it's a climbdown from the original pledge. Speaking truthfully, I think the main reason it gets such airtime in this thread is that you've staunchly denied that it's a climb down or that the policy has been watered down, and people find that frustrating because they feel like it very much is a climb down. There is a social psychological theory called 'reactance' (also known as the boomerang effect) which says when someone takes a strong stance on something (let's use unconditional, critique-free support of a political party as an example) and expresses that stance to others, it often has the unintended consequence of making people strongly take the opposite stance to assert their own freedom of thought (in this case insisting that the political party has done something wrong, even if they fundamentally agree with the principals of that party and support them). Guess what happens when that reactionary opposite stance is expressed? You guessed it, the original expresser doubles down on their stance and the merry dance continues over and over again. This thread in a nut shell.

There's been an 'incoming' style announcement for EOTR. There will probably be another one late this week or early next to say "It's coming on x day', that's how they've done it historically. I reckon we'll probably know by the end of next week.

Corbyn may have been useless in many ways, but I always enjoyed his suggestion that the top-earning executives in a company should have their wages capped at 20 x the lowest earners in the company.

I DEMAND LINE UP!

Let’s dream big though eh?

Yup! In the bin with them.

Where?

I'd be thrilled with those four!

Excellent work!

I think we'll get either Big Thief or an Adrianne Lenker set... but not both.

Not a lot... unless someone says something f**king stupid in which case it becomes a story all by itself.

"Read it exactly as it is on the card Rishi"

....which I realise are the only days it could be if it was in the last days of Jan.

Monday or Tuesday I reckon!

Somewhere stateside, a poster guy has been fired.

The announcement was Feb 1st last year, do we think it'll be similar this year?

I'd just be interested to see how many of the people who selected one of the two 'more difficult options' in this survey might reconsider their stance if they were faced with the reality of what people were fleeing from. This documentary may be specific to Ukraine, but the light it shines on the horrors of war applies to conflict everywhere.

They were showing it in the local picturehouse cinema. I think it’s on most of the ppv streaming platforms. It’s a tough watch. Some heavy stuff in there that will stay with me for a long time. Made me realise that I was pretty naive to the reality of what was happening. Should perhaps be mandatory viewing for anyone complaining about immigration numbers. …also the fact that Russia had the gall to say it’s staged is shocker (though also not of course).

Watched 20 days in Mariupol yesterday. A documentary film crew capturing the first 20 days of the war in Ukraine. It’s brutal, shocking and absolutely heartbreaking. Trailer here:

I visit these forums fairly regularly as there are some interesting takes and insights that are different from my own, but the amount of personal attacks and aggressive language that gets chucked around makes it a proper slog! I know you want to keep things loose and free in here, but the same loud voices insulting each other over and over again is really tiresome!

I’d like Marika Hackman there please (not as headliner obvs)