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54 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:
i had a quick look to see if I could do it as a mod but cant see a function ( ive returned to this today to give iggy a hand as its hard keeping up with the site at the moment )
Could you as a mod lock this poll and start one that has options such as:
1. Total ban on flags during acts2. Some restrictions to help those further back, on disabled platforms and without physical/mental ability to go down the front see some of the stage (eg. no flags in the pit, and one flag per pole)
3. Flags everywhere - I like vibes and don't care if others can't see
As I don't think many of us actually want total bans.
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1 minute ago, HotChipWillBreakYourLegs said:
Yeah but those people holding their flags down the front had a great view.
Haha exactly. How can people with flags say the view doesn't matter, when they have forced their way to... the best view?
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Just now, mario man said:
100% this. I'm sure banning them from front of sound desks may reduce numbers as well
Yep totally. It’s very selfish to push your way to the front with something that blocks the views of others behind. But if you want to stand back a bit, not obstruct and add to the vibes - go for it.
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2 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:
i had a quick look to see if I could do it as a mod but cant see a function ( ive returned to this today to give iggy a hand as its hard keeping up with the site at the moment )
In fairness we can already see the result is about 50/50. So I think that means the compromise would be pretty popular.
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1. No flags in front of sound desk
2. one flat per pole
Solves most of the issues.
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3 minutes ago, maelzoid said:
Doesn't look like editing is possible...
I did consider this option, but wanted to keep it concise. Also, I think we all agree that we don't mean an outright ban on flags across the festival. Fine in campsites. Fine walking around. Fine in between acts. The only issue is when they block the view of the stage, so I suggest that the 'ban' vote just means some suggestion that if your flag affects those behind you, it should come down. I think this can still happen with flags outside the pit / or behind the desk, and differs on a stage by stage basis.
I think people will vote no though as they think - as is stated - this is a ban on all flags whilst an act is on. Most just want the ones at the front blocking the view to stop.
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2 minutes ago, danbailey80 said:
this
And before people vote they should have a look at this from next to the disabled viewing platform. Where flags in the pit created a wall you could not see through.
It is not fair people without the physical (or mental) ability to get down the front cannot see.
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There should be an option to not have them in front of sound desk/ the pit as that’s what the main suggestion has been
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11 hours ago, Xeph1995 said:
I have no problem with this, just straight up vibes imo.
Wouldn't be the same without views like this, seeing the stage really isn't the most important aspect imo.
This is your opinion but for loads of others it isn’t. Lots of people do like seeing the bands and have paid money to do so. Is the ‘vibe’ worse in West Holts where you can see? Seemed a lot better in that field for packed sets.
Choosing your ‘vibes’ over others views - including disabled people viewing the stage from the platform - is clearly selfish. Compromise should be found and clearly can
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1 hour ago, tom22 said:
Love the flags. Some absolute corkers this year, the Kendall In the Wind one was a highlight.
Would say maybe having a ban on
- corporate logos, the 30% off gym discount one was just taking the piss, and a few Radio X ones just looked out of place
- Massive flags, there was one for Maddy or Matty (?) 30th in the style of a Stella Artois logo which was about 3x the size of the others
- Short flag poles, if they're all 5M+ up in the air they keep the view much less obstructed
could be a way to go perhaps.
But, unless you're right up the front, being able to see the artist on the stage is a bit pointless, they just become like an ant size wise, and the screens are far more useful for seeing what's going on than being able to see the stage. Never not been able to see more than enough of what's going on, and the flags are so distinctively glasto and look great in person and on the tv.
Bolded bit isn’t really true. Take Lil Nas X. On the post I had from next to the disabled platform - without the flags down in the pit you would have seen him jumping on the giant horse and it coming on stage. Of course you wouldn’t see clear facial expressions, but you would be see the musicians interact, massive stage set up and backdrop screens at the back of stage.
Keep the tall and appropriate size ones but lose the mass of them at the front.
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2 minutes ago, DeanoL said:
It is absolutely crazy to have an elevated disabled viewing platform that has no view of the stage!
It’s about half way back as well, so huge numbers of people who for whatever reason can’t deal with the crush at the front see no stage at all.
4 minutes ago, DeanoL said:I seem to remember the festival did a poll a few years back and it was roughly 50/50 for ban/keep, with keep coming out marginally ahead.
Numbers will change now, buy I say this just to make the point that neither side is in a tiny minority on this. It's not just 10 angry people on forums that don't like them and it's not just the people who take them that *do* like them. Lots of people on both side. Point being, have the discussion but anyone claiming that one side is tiny compared to the other is straight up wrong.
Agree. The fact there are two large camps is why there should be a compromise (and there’s been good suggestions in here that would allow people to see the stage and keep flags)
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12 minutes ago, Helsbels said:
I honestly dont see why people have an issue with flags, in my 12 visits to farm Ive never had my view obstructed and they totally make the atmosphere so much better
Here’s a photo from next to the disabled platform on the right hand side and it was a stretch to see ANY of the stage for most of the afternoon. So loads of people in wheelchairs etc on the platform couldn’t see
Honestly I can’t understand why people are against some sort of rules to allow people to view the stage! There has to be some compromise to allow both to happen.
Yes people can pick better spots on quieter gigs but for something like Elton you had to take where you could get to and be comfortable. Just seeing a wall of flags should not be ok.
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20 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:
I’m not one for sitting around in the same place too long so I’m always off doing my own thing but it’s been relatively easy to meet up with friends this weekend just by finding the nearest flag to them.
They definitely do serve a purpose when in a group and not dangerous to other people.
What we should be talking about is banning chairs within a certain range of a stage and crack down on the smoke flares. Not sure what was in the flares this year but there was a lot of people coughing nearby when they were going off.Agree chairs shouldn’t be anywhere other than the very back when it is busy. However there’s loads of ways to find people without flags, and people should be able to see a gig if they want to.
I used to think the same about navigation but there’s ways of doing it without selfishly spoiling others views. You can meet at start/end of sets, there’s ice cream vans, viewing platforms, speaker stands etc.
I guess an option could be to have permanent flag poles around the field with designs on. But none in the front pit is the one that would sort it most (and you can still navigate to anywhere that isn’t at the front)
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7 minutes ago, DeanoL said:
Nah, the vast majority of people follow the rules if the festival clearly explain it's what they want. It's why we saw all those Chinese lanterns for a few years and then never again. Most people abide by the rules because they want to, many more would be to worried not to (but what if my bag gets searched and they find my flag!) - a few will continue to do so but if you cut the number of flags by 90% then honestly the job is done.
The festival just don't have the will to do it, at least until the next renewal with the BBC.
I think the BBC would love not having flags in front of the sound desk. They noticeably got in the way of the camera a few times
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5 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:
Fix that for you...
Its hard to say just how many people don't want them. They don't bother me.
Loads moaned about them around me this year.
Does anyone thing the the gigs away from Pyramid (West Holts, JP etc) where there were just the occasional flag and you can almost always see the stage lack atmosphere?
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7 minutes ago, Dave_c said:
I like the flags, they add to the atmosphere and its part of the fabric of the festival. Even if they tried to ban them they couldn't. NOS is banned and people just walk around sucking baloons and manage to bring massive plastic bottles of the sh*t in these days. I'd rather they focus their efforts on eradicating that.
It’s not one or the other. And even if they reduced that would be great.
I appreciate not everyone cares about seeing the stage, but for lots of people it does matter.
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8 minutes ago, K2SO said:
Would it work if the festival allowed people to send their flags in, and have them put up in various tactical places, a bit like they do at football stadiums?
I personally think that the idea of no flags in front of the sound desk is the best way forward though
The sound desk thing is fair. You can get a good spot if you want - or you can carry a flag - but you can’t get a GREAT spot AND block the view of people behind you.
Tactical flags would also be sound.
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I think the fact some love and some hate them means means there should be some sort of compromise.
You need ensure they’re only a certain size/height and only allowed at certain points (eg behind the sound desk). That way they would be less obstructive. It means you could guarantee yourself a spot of seeing the stage if you wanted (which you can’t at the mo) but you’d still get the visual of the flags flying if you’re into flags.
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On 6/25/2023 at 11:23 AM, Xeph1995 said:
The flags are one of my favourite parts of the festival, I don't care if I can't see the stage, we have screens and it's part of the atmosphere. Being at a Headline set when flares and flags are everywhere is banging.
Yeah but some people do care about seeing the stage.
12 hours ago, MrBarry465 said:If your 5k+ people deep you can't see the artist anyway get real.
Not remotely true. You would be able to see the full stage set up etc waaaay back with no flags.
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3 hours ago, Brendan110_00 said:
I remember when I walked along the tent line there during Dolly Parton, took an hour it was that packed, no foot space, pretty dicey if you tripped in mud. Probably for the best IMO.
Was awful for Diana Ross around the edges. I was trying to help someone and make my way to Amyl and it took me ages to get out and was quite unpleasant for me - and I’m quite big and ok in crowds. Agree it is a good decision.
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1 hour ago, Dan :D said:
Friday Woodsies is Blossoms and Astley 100% someone we know in their crew confirmed
48 minutes ago, Dan :D said:Sorry they are actually the Saturday woodies slot
Everyone was thinking it was Friday weren’t they? Very pleased if it is the Saturday as that time was a bit dead for me and it sounds like a bit of fun
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3 minutes ago, strummer77 said:
To be fair, if you had waited until the last 90 minutes, it was.
40 minutes ago, themunn said:If you don't like Elton all that much don't go.
I made the mistake with Paul McCartney last year thinking it would be a spectacle for the ages, but ultimately I got there and after 4-5 songs remembered that it's just not my vibe, I went instead to watch Meghan thee stallion which I don't regret at all - my only regret was not going from the beginning.
I will be at Elton this year because there are too many songs I love and I know I will enjoy it - I'm gutted to miss QOTSA but I've seen them before and probably again, so this one I am happy to skip them for that headline act.
If you DO like Elton though, then I think do it, because you will have the chance to see Alt-J another time.
Joking here a bit - as to clarify, I miss loads of 'must sees' (Diana/Lionel/The Who etc) as they're not my bag and almost never regret it.
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36 minutes ago, themunn said:
If you don't like Elton all that much don't go.
I made the mistake with Paul McCartney last year thinking it would be a spectacle for the ages, but ultimately I got there and after 4-5 songs remembered that it's just not my vibe, I went instead to watch Meghan thee stallion which I don't regret at all - my only regret was not going from the beginning.
To be fair, if you had waited until the last 90 minutes, it was.
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On 6/5/2023 at 9:40 PM, snoochie1981 said:
Probably a coincidence but 1975 are listed here alongside a mixture of other acts, all on the Glastonbury lineup
Pretty sure Radiohead popped up in a similar list in the Guardian before 2011. Which was seen as a mistake but...
(although that was a lineup page, this is probably just coincidence and they did a show because they were doing Big Weekend)
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for those that didn’t see it - this is the photo from next to the disabled platform I took. And yeah, that was the moment I realised we need a compromise. For the record I voted to keep flags back in the day when they asked - but the situation is worse now.