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2 minutes ago, El Slido said:
If you're shoulder to shoulder down the front then the little shift lef tor right may not be possible tbh.
So we're agreed? ban flags , tall people and overly elaborate hats from the area between the stage and the sound desk?
Oh and umbrellas too...don't get me started on umbrellas.Let me know when the poll opens on "should we ban people walking slowly in front of me when I've got 5 minutes to get to Park?"
Such disingenuous shite from the flag shaggers
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5 minutes ago, El Slido said:
yeah so I would suggest that once you're that far back then you are most likely looking at the screens 98% of the time, so the flags maybe not that big a deal? I know that's the case for me when pretty much any further back that the desks on Pyramid, but I've got tired old eyes.
Not the case for me at all. I look at the screens to supplement, but have good eyesight and could watch a band if there weren't a load of flags in the way. Same for most of my group - some who could not for whatever reason deal with the crush down the front so on their chosen Pyramid acts, could not see them.
Small tweaks could allow flags and sight lines to exist.
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1 minute ago, Xeph1995 said:
I don't agree with WH having the best vibes tbh, it all depends on the act playing and the crowd it brings, Other, Park and WH all equal vibes imo.
Not to mention WH seems to have loads of sound issues.
Regardless, all these stages also have a far more sensible distribution of flags than the Pyramid.
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Just now, DTichborne said:
If you're any distance back from the Pyramid Stage (as in, more than 10000 or so people back which is most people), you don't see the teeny tiny people. You see flags.
Yep, this photo here from the disabled stage where you see flags, when they occasionally had a gap you could see Elton. You knew who he was, could see his guest walk by and it was cool. But I reckon that happened for approximately two songs if that.
Yes you couldn't see his exact facial expressions, but the screens are there to help compliment that - not to be your whole viewing experience (although as you see, those are beginning to be covered now too)
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9 minutes ago, El Slido said:
I'll set my stall out. I like the flag vibes, and find them useful navigation waypoints.
One question tho...how far back from the stage do you need to be before the teeny tiny people on the stage could be literally anyone?
Or to put it another way, at what distance from the stage do you stop looking at the screens?When will we start banning tall people?
Can we bring in restrictions on hats?
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But even if they're small you can still see them and their interactions. Take Kendrick's set last year - wonderful show choreography that would mean something half way back - especially with the screen's to supplement it. But half of people couldn't see it. Lil Nas this year.
And the comparison to tall people is disingenuous but... surely the slope should help negate that.
Also I get some people like yourself don't mind flags, but shouldn't we really be letting people who are paying £500+ to watch artists actually see the bands/singers if they want to? There should be room for flags/decorations/hats - but only if you don't make a significant amount of people's experiences worse.
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2 minutes ago, Skip997 said:
True, but I'm not sure it has anything to do with flags.
More a general upping of Health and Safety, a change in the crowd demographic, etc
But that's sort of my point, I don't think the festival is more sanitised if flag numbers go down. It's not related.
The West Holts has hardly any flags - enough further back for visuals but not enough to block sight lines - and the atmospheres are great.
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4 hours ago, Hugh Jass II said:
I'd rather they weren't banned outright though, they've been part of the experience since I first started going 20 years ago. I feel removing them would sanitise the festival a little.
Hear this sort of thing a lot, but is it really true? If anything the festival has become more sanitised as flags appeared.
Was David Bowie's set in 2000 worse because everyone could see him? Did Radiohead 97 fall flat because they saw Thom Yorke instead of a bloke with a 6 foot 'Nando's Medium Spice' flag.
There are a few flags in the photo below, but hardly any and not forming a wall down the front.
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2 minutes ago, AVALON.G said:
Lol I think I'm starting to realise efestivals is for the more miserable Glastonbury fans
Nobody is being miserable, it’s just a forum where people discuss things.
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10 minutes ago, AVALON.G said:
Yeah but "imagine" will be as far as it goes.
I can't perceive any situation where there will not be flags at Glastonbury
Yeah and if you read the thread or the poll then you’ll see most people aren’t suggesting a situation where there are no flags at Glastonbury.
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3 minutes ago, AVALON.G said:
I dont I'm I'm indifferent to them.
My only point is theres going to be flags like it or not...
So you might aswell just accept it and move on.
Well I think it’s easy enough to imagine a situation where they look to reduce the negative impact of them on others.
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Just now, AVALON.G said:
So there was no problem with me suggesting that the solution to your problem was you finding it within your self to accept there are flags at Glastonbury???
It seems like the only positive solution to your problem
Why do you love flags so much?
Genuinely interested why people wanting some rules to help others - including people with physical issues and disabilities - to see the stage has wound you up so much?
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Telling that about 75% of people think there should be some restrictions.
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We all went with the intention of leaving midway and really enjoyed it. As did everyone around us.
Another group I know did exactly the same.
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56 minutes ago, Fishman said:
Yeah, I understand that he's forgotten a lot over the years, but surely you don't need the words for 'My Way'?
It was either great or terrible, I still haven't decided. Would have been much better in a tent.
Everyone around me seemed to enjoy it. Echo the poster earlier - I thought the sound of Steve Jones’ guitar was fantastic.
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28 minutes ago, Gingerfish79 said:
I've always liked them, and they do come in handy at times when meeting friends. However, it's clearly gone past the point of being a fun addition to the festival, and is now at times a serious problem effecting the enjoyment of a sizeable minority.
Maybe a solution would be to charge people a very small fee (which would go to charity of course), give them a special wristband or something, and then confiscate the flags from people who don't have one. It's quite 'heavy handed' but I don't see how else the numbers could be restricted.
People would just pay the small fee and the same people would face the same problems.
You just tell people either to not have them/or to meet the restrictions. If a big deal is made out of the issue then most will probably comply when asked (many probably don't realise what's happening to those behind) and a lot will get peer pressured out of it. A few may remain for a while, but a few won't really cause the issues.
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2 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said:
Option 3 feels more than a little leading...
It was from the previous poll (and the words of a pro-flag user)...
But also, a fair summary isn't it? If you are happy for flags everywhere, you don't care that people can't see.
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9 hours ago, kerplunk said:
You're basically saying a direct view of the stage, the back of stage screen, being able to see the performers on the stage etc is only worth having if you're in the pit. In your world the pyramid stage field slope is surplus too (so long as you can see a screen)
Yeah although I couldn't see everything, being able to see Springsteen strut towards McCartney was magical for me. But had I been injured and maybe 20m further back, I probably wouldn't have seen it.
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1 hour ago, cidermonkey said:
If flags are affecting access to to the festival for people with disabilities then the local council should be made aware. They may then make it a condition of the festival licence for the flags to be dealt with. Its obvious Emily and her gang dont care and are unlikely to do anything unless forced.
I think the council thing isn't the worst, especially if friendly.
To be fair, I wonder if it is less about caring and about not really knowing/understanding. The flag density has increased a LOT in front of the stages, and a lot of those involved probably watch from up close/stage side.
It isn't just the visible disabilities either. It is really rubbish that people that mentally can't or don't want to push through can't see anything.
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1 minute ago, CaledonianGonzo said:
Was this actually great? Or terrible? Or both, often at once?
Great imo. Great sound and great fun.
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2 minutes ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:
I can't see a compromise on flags would be workable and it would have to be all or nothing The festival could politely ask not to bring a flag but they do the same with gazebos and look how that turns out.
If they politely asked them not to be beyond x point, it would cut the numbers and that might be enough. Gazebo numbers dropped massively after they started asking!
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7 minutes ago, Joshuwarr said:
The fact its compromising the experience for disabled people is pretty horrible. I really don't think the flags add to the "magic" despite the fact it does look great on tv and can help you find mates in the crowd.
I think it's one of those things, that when flags thin out, people would realise weren't half as important as they believed they were.
If you go to West Holts or JP there's generally only a few dotted around and the gigs and atmosphere are brilliant. I think also that when it is a wall of flags they do get in the way of the audience engaging with the experience. Everyone is basically just listening to an expensive radio.
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1 minute ago, kidpresentable said:
Should they be banned at stages? Of course!
Will they ever be banned at stages? Never gonna happen.
I don't think they will get banned as they have become part of the marketing. But I think the fact that the mass at the front has essentially become discriminatory means there could be some change.
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21 minutes ago, faymondo said:
We take our flag out now and again but I can see the problem with them this year so have gone for a total ban. There does however need to be some pre erected meeting point flags on the main stages.
Yeah you could actually put flag poles up with submitted designs at various points across the field.
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Yeah the hat isn't comparable to flags.
The point is, tall people you can move away from. You could go a bit to the left or right, or slightly up the hill so you can see over them. But with the mass of flags at the front, there is no escape.