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They might hang on a few more days before announcing anything. Might of been a breakthrough with gov backed insurance.
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14 hours ago, Gilgamesh69 said:
That reminds me, i wonder when we'll finally get those long rumoured Arctic Monkeys gigs. Next year for their 20th anniversary perhaps?
It's a right shambles. The licence for the SJM gigs is still "open" on the council website, but the local licencing team have nothing other than Tramlines for Hillsborough next year at the moment.
Wondering if they will just end up at the arena again or maybe in the bowl. Like most festivals in city/built up areas it gets a lot of grief from locals, so they may decide its not worth the hassle.
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7 hours ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said:
Anything happening @JBarbour. Presume awaiting next Government announcement re Roadmap.
Yeah I think so. Business as usual still for the organisers until there are further gov announcements. There has been some local gossip of it cancelling but there has been no decision made yet.
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3 hours ago, kaosmark2 said:
The big issue causing cancellations for festivals with an established date from mid-July onwards is cancellation insurance. Bigger brand festivals backed by a big company can effectively self-insure. The smaller ones can't risk the govt changing the rules on them last minute.
Truck might be able to do that, I'm not sure quite how huge Superstruct are. Not FR/livenation big obviously, but they've got some weighty finances to them.
Superstruct is backed by a US asset management firm, Providence, with $45 billion in assets. They have acquired/invested in 30+ festivals/events. Its run by James Barton (an ex Live Nation president and Creamfields founder) and Paul Bedford (former financial director of Impresario Festivals). So they are pretty big, but not got the clout of LN.
It probably won't come down to purely financial and insurance issues because Superstruct events can ride that out. It seems to be LN and friends that are hosting all these test events so ultimately they may stand more of a chance for later events such as R&L happening at full capacity, with a proven track record holding these covid events.
It'll depend if the gov can commit to a date for reopening with next to no restrictions and with every day that passes the chances of July events is getting slimmer.
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On 5/26/2021 at 11:06 AM, dumski said:
is the 2022 plan still down in the bowl? taking kids this time so could be interesting
They have the option to do the full blown festival as that's what the licence allows them, with the bigger capacity and whole site.
I imagine it will depend on the budget and risks the organisers are wanting to take. I don't see why they can't sell some more tickets next year if the demand is there and expand the festival site according.
With it billed as Chapter 1 and a rebirth/re-imagined event they may want to kick off without the added pressure of booking expensive acts, loads of staff, massive build... Then build on the capacity year on year again.
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5 hours ago, thewayiam said:
Well being sold out has confirmed whether I plunge for a Sunday ticket or not lol.
I would of guessed there will be some more tickets going on sale closer to the festival. There will be a resale of payment plan tickets, any guest tickets that go unused added to the pile as well. They have a weird thing with capacity.
I'm still not confident it will go ahead though, July festivals looking dodgy.
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3 hours ago, mr flow said:
Boomtown Lite is looking like it will go ahead as long as government restrictions don't prevent it from happening. 8k people and only in the bowl from what I understand.
Think a mini Boomtown would work? 8k seems a really low capacity, especially comparing to one stage, one field, one day Glastonbury events of 40-50k.
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15 minutes ago, LOCHLAND5 said:
wasnt for festival though it was for something else as you can see by the application
Considering it was by the same organisers, on the same site, Thursday to Sunday in Sept, under the same Lowther Deer Park
Kendal Calling Festival Site header... I would say it was a back up plan for back then. Notices for events generally happen 120 days before the event is due to take place, they are not forced to take place on the same weekend every year. It's been withdrawn anyway as it was last year. If things looking dodgy for this year events could start putting notices and licences for later in year if they wish. -
31 minutes ago, TipToes24 said:
Random one here, but what should I expect beer wise and price wise? I’m assuming it’s the usual £5 a pint? Id take anything other than carling and fosters. Also, if you have a car is there anyway of nipping in and out on a booze run?
In the past they've had a fairly good beer selection, not just branded lager. They did used to have a bar/large tented area dedicated to different ales. Whether it will be scaled back not sure, but they will always have something. It can be a good money earner for festivals and bar owners. It's the generic festival pint prices.
They general have a local brewery do a "special" Y Not branded ale.
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1 minute ago, thetime said:
Everyone loves a pantomime villain. To be honest he is efests big cuddly bear.
I thought the pantomime villain was old Barry on the Glastonbury forums? 😄
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20 minutes ago, thewayiam said:
Yes. That's why a new profile wouldn't matter. At one point it actually turned borderline bullying and online abuse on here and people have heavy but blah blah and all that.
There are many cliques. I won't say I've been innocent as I haven't but a forum is a board of views and options. Except you aren't allowed them unless you support Radio 6 Music on the whole or Kendrick Lamar and Kanye West are your crowning glory.
Kung Fu Kenny is amazing though 🤔😁
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21 minutes ago, thewayiam said:
Oh I always become a target for negative responses. If I say the same as someone else I'll get a negative rep for it from the same people every time.
Ive notice that happen to your profile, if you say something similar or the same as someone else you get more negative responses. Thought having a reset or get a new profile might make you less of a target even if you say things that aren't the general opinion of the rest of the discussion.
There are a few cliques on these forums, happens more on the Glastonbury section. Not sure why up and down voting is needed on these forums, like it's some sort of popularity contest. Like being back at school 😅
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17 minutes ago, LazyDavid said:
I wonder if they'll get a replacement in for that spot or they might bump MGK up? Could see them maybe add someone like Yungblud or Nothing But Thieves.
That will probably depend how ticket sales go, if they are strong enough, doubt they'll spend more money.
I guess they may have paid off DA with the "mutual agreement"
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39 minutes ago, thewayiam said:
Sorry pal. Stop taking notice after this years shower was announced.
Have you ever thought about starting a new profile or asking for a reset on your feedback? You sometimes become a target for negative responses, not so much on this thread but seen it on others.
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19 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:
I appreciate the apology, I apology it got heated and if I came across to be minimalizing abuse in anyway. - I just don't think we can know for sure what the motives of the act, the apology and the statement from Katherine was, deffo good to keep an eye on slowthai and make sure this isn't his true personality coming out, like i said it would be at odds with everything else ive seen from slowthai but that hasn't stopped abusers in the past. I truly think some good can come from conversations like this. -
I've seen some pretty comprehensive lists on twitter, there's a lot of abuse in the entertainment industry, it sucks that it is swept under the rug because there are tons of people more worth out there, willing to get into the music industry.
It's the same in film and recently a lot of similar shit has been uncovered in youtube spheres.
But anyway sorry again if it got heated.
I don't mind a heated debate, I generally head over to the Glastonbury thread for that! 😆
Luckily a lot of industries are shining a light on the abuse and unacceptable behaviour now. Attitudes are changing and growing more intolerant to this sort of thing, still someway to go. I understand it can be a complicated issue though.
The first hurdle the music industry probably needs to cross is more women on line ups, but not just to make up the numbers for the sake of it.
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5 hours ago, mattiosmith said:
Hey all, wasn't sure where to put this as it, unfortunately, will probably effect a lot of festivals this year. Love Supreme festival postponed this week and I've now received details on refunds from the festival/ticket line and we have been told that we will only have the ticket face value returned, which means around £25 per ticket will be lost in booking fees.
Is this a standard practice on all festivals that are being cancelled? It seems like a lot of money for us punters who have taken a chance on the festival to lose when it's no fault of our own that it's no longer going ahead, and to be honest if it is normal it will make me think twice before booking in future so it's counter productive for the event organiser/ ticket reseller.
If you paid via Credit Card you could try and claim the amount back that way?
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Just now, thetime said:
Are the wireless/reading lineups free of abuse and homophobic comments from artists?
Dunno, not taken that much interest in them, getting too old for them. Maybe someone should make a list?
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12 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:
Also I don't think we should nuke the thread, the festival invited this criticism and it's an important topic to keep up. Could change the name and make a new ALT LDN thread or something however
They should nuke the event 😆 merge the hip-hop with Wireless and the heavier stuff with Reading
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3 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:
First off, the fact you keep repeatedly trying to suggest I am in anyway in favour of abuse or misogyny is wild. I was the one who bought attention to the die antwoord stuff at the beginning of the thread and have repeatedly said slowthai's actions were wrong, you keep skipping over huge chunks of context in articles and in other poster and myselfs replies. I do not defend slowthais actions, they will never be right. I don't however think they are unforgivable. I don't think no one is capable of change. - I don't think an apology on it's own is enough to excuse behaviour but i do think a since apology and forgiveness from the other person in the situation as well as no indication that this behaviour has continued outside of the nme awards.
yeah I admit I didn't see the quote about the "self-destruct" when you made the point earlier but you only just offered the background and quote just now, I read the article and there is more context to the quotes you pulled, the article doesn't paint a black and white picture of him covering for him just for his career, she was concerned because their was more context to the event than articles were making it out as. - Yes she is not the only one who gets to decide whether slowthai's actions were forgivable and this whole time I've been wanting to learn and listen and hear more from you, i've tried to be fair and hear you out.
Every single time you try and attack my character, because I am willing to give someone a second chance in this scenario, because of the the person's track record and because his sincere regret and he hasn't tried to sweep it under the rug, he has been open about it since. -
I am not someone who takes stuff like this lightly. I don't think i've come across that way on here? Happy to be called out for when I get it wrong, which I did with the "self destruct" comments,
Also I don't think we should nuke the thread, the festival invited this criticism and it's an important topic to keep up. Could change the name and make a new ALT LDN thread or something however
We are going round in circles as someone has just suggested.
If you feel like I've attacked you I apologise. I'm just not into this soft approach with these type people.
I will continue to believe slowthai is a scumbag who's true colours came out that night. Maybe he has learned from them mistakes, maybe he was more concerned about his career.
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2 minutes ago, thetime said:
You are all going round in circles.
Yeah. I do like to call out the enablers
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3 minutes ago, thewayiam said:
There is nothing to suggest Kasabian will have Tom back at all.
Unfortunately everything can be put to the back of minds. This is how desperate people on here are for live music again.
Promoters have been booking acts with shady pasts for a long time.
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1 minute ago, Jericode said:
MGK into Architects is pretty decent init? Shame it's £70 and in London.
I like your optimism. 😆Try and get this discussion back to the festival itself. I think it might of gone to a point of no return.
Needs nuking.
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1 minute ago, ace56blaa said:
You are just picking sentences out in isolation, yes like we are all are, Katherine Ryan acknowledging that the act was misogynist. The subsequent 24 hour aftermath, she remembers, was a time of “motherly concern” towards him and “regret” that she might have played a role in his career possibly imploding. “Because I’m vehemently against ‘cancel culture’ in most cases. We’re always looking to ruin someone’s career. To take the context and nuance out of the situation didn’t make sense to me. I wish it had just stayed as a great rock ‘n’ roll moment in the room – and I respect him as an artist and performer.” is the full quote, which is ironic cause she calls out taking stuff out of context and nuance and you took her quotes out of context and nuance
What I was saying is in her quote! She didn't want him to self-destruct, he's a young lad at the start of his career and he fucked up. She had "motherly concern".
You seem like you want to defend him? Do you believe what he did was acceptable?
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20 minutes ago, thetime said:
One might suggest kasabian won't be withdrawn from festival lineups, when Tom Meighan rejoins.
Until people start standing against abusers and stop buying tickets bookers/promoters will carry on as if its the norm.
It won't change anytime soon. For them to say sorry seems to be enough for some people. They have turned someones life upside down and they just jump back into the spotlight like its business as usual.
It's difficult because cancel culture sucks for the most part but there has to be a line drawn somewhere. There as got to be some hard boundaries like if found guilty or there is hard evidence of unacceptable behaviour.
Remember when Josh Homme kicked a photographer in the face for no reason. That was messed up but not as bad as being straight up homophobic, racist or an abuser. Promoters just seem to carry on and ignore these things.
Tramlines 2021 and Hillsborough Gigs
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I could be wrong but it's not quite a done deal yet in regards to Tramlines being a pilot event. Still some things to sort out, but it sounds promising.