JBarbour
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1 minute ago, Dronx said:
They not bothering next summer?
Is that a question in regards to SJM / AM dates? It will be scheduled around the release of new material, a tour and/or festival dates I'd imagine. Plus in 2023 COVID restrictions might finally be lifted 😆
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I would hope Live Nation and Superstruct (run by an ex LN boss) don't have the upper hand in regards to the pilot events due to political connections/donations... As that would be highly unfair to the rest of the industry thats suffering alongside them.
With deadlines fast approaching for deposits on acts and contractors its shit or bust for events, I'd imagine independent events are feeling the squeeze and pressure right about now.
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On 6/24/2021 at 9:50 AM, Matt42 said:
I was going to put Arctic Monkeys but to me, they just don't seem to be doing anything? Maybe the pandemic substantially pushed back their plans - but I could see that trio going down extremely well.
Arctic Monkeys are most likely pencilled in for a 2023 tour. SJM has once again put in a application to host a number of gigs at Hillsborough Park - 2nd / 3rd June 2023.
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3 minutes ago, E____R said:
Have they tried for a permit again?!
Yeah. Licence pending
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2nd and 3rd June 2023 - Hillsborough
(the cursed gigs)
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13 minutes ago, A costume of a man said:
Well tramlines is 40k (I think) and Y not is around 25k? (and hasn't even sold out)
Someone correct me if I've pulled those numbers out of my arse6 minutes ago, metalgearcol said:Ynot is down to 15k this year I believe (and not sold out).
40k at Tramlines seems to be correct though.
They have the option to do 40k and the first year it moved to Hillsborough that was the capacity.
But the past few years capacity has been 30k
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20 minutes ago, Hirstys 12th Pint said:
Right @JBarbour who else is going to be added to the line up 🤣
It's always more, more, more 😆 I'm just one man. I've been chasing this pilot info for the past week or so. The info was good about today though.
I think they'll be working on keeping the current line up and there could possibly be some changes, then further announcements.
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4 minutes ago, swede said:
Have Womad/Bryan Ferry jumped the gun in their statement by mentioning Tramlines as a pilot event, or have they got their wires crossed and put out some misinformation ? I dont remember the BBC announcing Tramlines as a pilot event on Friday as their statement claims
It was an industry magazine that jumped the gun originally. Tramlines have been in discussions about becoming a pilot event. It's been reported twice by the same industry mag as if they are already confirmed as a pilot event, that's not/wasn't the case.
I'm still not sure of the outcome. There is likely a decision being made today though, I'd imagine that's because deposits will have to be paid and that will be a massive commitment. One they can't afford if the event doesn't get the pilot status.
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Sounds like a decision could be made tomorrow, not sure if that will lead to an announcement straight away.
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9 minutes ago, Tomo18 said:
if the festival did go ahead, could there still be an option to cancel?
i would love to go but seems really short notice without any real communication from the festivals due to lack of government help
main reason i've shifted my priorities to buying a house, and the festival is weekend could fall within the moving dates, so need some clarification really
Id contact the ticket agent to see if anything can be done.
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1 minute ago, thetime said:
No need to write a tweet or 2, as they have a percentage on furlough. Best wait for the day before the festival, there to busy doing errrrmmmmm... 💪
Do you live in the real world and know what's actually going on?
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12 minutes ago, thetime said:
Like I've also said I don't agree, will leave it there as we are coming from totally different angles.
Yeah I'm coming from a reality based angle 😝
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8 minutes ago, thetime said:
Asking festival organisers to communicate more isn't actually attacking them is it, don't be such a drama queen.
Good communication in the modern ara, even more so in this pandemic should be paramount. Communicating with there customer base, is the first thing in any business.
And I've already addressed that. These festivals have most their staff still on furlough. They are running on skeleton staff.
What are they meant to communicate if there is nothing to communicate until the government give them permission to go ahead or they have to cancel.
There is no money flowing within the industry.
If anyone is a drama queen it's the grown adult demanding social media and emails from festivals. 😄
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26 minutes ago, thetime said:
Couldn't disagree more as festival organisers have been ignoring emails, social media questions. The punters are the lifeblood of any festival, even more so the independent ones.
Another example is the communication from roskilde festival to sziget festival(my fave fest). World's apart how to communicate and how to treat there fanbase.
People want to be kept in the loop with there chosen festival, ignoring there requests isn't the best way to go.
24 minutes ago, incident said:While that's largely true, I do think that Bearded especially deserve some credit here for being bit more up front about the challenges they've faced, and how they intend to attack them or what the alternatives may be if they can't overcome them. It might be partly because as the first festival in the season they've had to take decisions earlier, but generally I've found their statements to be a lot more open and (as far as I can tell) honest than others.
You do realise the festival organiser only know the Roadmap announcements and decisions when everybody else does.
What are organisers meant to do, just keeping putting nothing news and responses out? They know when we know.
Instead of attacking organisers maybe support them in this shit show. They are doing the best they can. Not forgetting most the industry is still on furlough and will be on skeleton staff. They have no income.
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1 minute ago, the hitcher said:
Cheers man, with the cases going up as they are I don’t think they’ll get it unfortunately to be honest.
Although I guess with tramlines it’s a good tester with it been non camping but also a lot more risky!
Can’t see the locals been to happy with the public transport been full with drunken festival goers either in current times 😂 (I know they probably hate it every year 😂)
If anything I think they will have to put on separate transport for festival goers. More trams and buses have been put on in past years anyway. (discounting the year the tram staff were on strike). It all depends if restrictions like masks and social distancing are removed.
It's more of a real world pilot with festival goers mixing with the city.
I think it will need the full support of the local council and authorities as well. If it goes wrong it's potentially throwing a whole city (and potentially region seen as a lot of people from Doncaster, Rotherham, Barnsley also attend) under the bus.
The results from the other pilot events seem positive though.
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3 hours ago, thetime said:
What a majority of festivals have struggled at during the pandemic is communication. Most of them have been woeful to be honest, bearded theory and Glastonbury perhaps the best. Some festivals it's months and months before you know what's going on.
It is something I can't understand as the likes of ynot could easily of communicated more.
I think you are mixing up festivals and the government here.
Festivals want to go ahead, they need to go ahead, they risk bankruptcy.
Is there much point putting out the same message everyday or multiple times a day? "no news/updates"
When there is news festivals are communicating it. Imagine how stressed these organisers are. Glastonbury and Bearded Theory have not done anything different to any other festivals. They've communicated updates when it was available.
Plus social media for most festivals is outsourced, which complicates it even more.
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4 hours ago, the hitcher said:
Any more news @JBarbour
think I’m going to go latitude if this is definitely off but worrying about it selling out before we hear anything 😂
No news, it's all gone quiet. I think they are awaiting on more details and to see if they are going to be apart of government's series of test events.
Local cases shooting up is probably not helping, despite hospitalisations remaining low.
Id imagine it's more complicated to get the logistics together compared to a camping event like Latitude, that can be more contained and controlled.
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Just thought another issue that might arise - the line up. Depending if the headliners and bigger acts were booked under the terms of playing a number of festivals/events.
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3 minutes ago, swede said:
Wembley, Ascot, Silverstone, theres being some money changing hands to get events put on at those venues, plus they're events that the rich and elite enjoy.
Not forgetting Melvin knows how to grease a few wheels (allegedly). Other promoters are unlikely to be in the same position of LN & FR.
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19 minutes ago, swede said:
Do you think location may go against it ?
The use of public transport could be an issue.
Id imagine it will be difficult to track any covid outbreaks because the festival isn't contained like a camping event.
Although it could be a positive if they are wanting a real world pilot with the festival mixing with a whole city.
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1 hour ago, swede said:
Any more rumblings about this buddy ? Or is other similar sized festivals cancelling over the last few days a sign that Tramlines will follow ?
Still nothing solid. Last I heard talks are happening.
Just to be clear Tramlines has not been picked to be a pilot yet. Its on a shortlist, I think. It will only happen if/when DCMS make an announcement.
It's totally out of the organisers hands. It can quite easily still be cancelled.
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10 minutes ago, KBR1991 said:
Is there anything regarding likes of Ynot being involved Too?
I'm not sure about Y Not. It depends if they've applied for or been invited for inclusion in the pilot events.
1 minute ago, Mcbatesman said:Ahhh ok!
So will truck likely get cancelled if they don't get both? Or unknown at the moment
If it's not part of the pilot events its likely to be cancelled. Events are awaiting decisions from Government's DCMS and inclusion with ERP
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In regards to Tramlines being a pilot, there has been conversations but nothing is solid yet. Its been put forward for inclusion in the pilots.
Tramlines and Truck are the same team of people now and both 100% owned by Superstruct. So there is a possibility they are pushing for both events.
Kendal is a little bit different because the founders are still on board with 40% stake and still organise the event.
In regards to Latitude, again its been put forward for inclusion and awaiting an announcement from DCMS like Tramlines. WOMAD is another possibility.
Melvin from FR is pushing for events as he's confident large scale music events are safe based on their previous pilot events.
Y Not 2021
in other UK festivals
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I think it speaks volumes they announcing events happening after 19th as part of the ERP. Which suggests normal events will have restrictions, be limited or not be able to go ahead at all. Otherwise why bother. Both Latitude and Tramlines are after 19th. They are both mask and restriction free events, testing before but no test is needed after the event.