steviewevie

Yeah, but why try and do this now, when this conference is seen as his big chance to show what his version of labour is for, but instead he has pissed off a lot of people and now this is what everyone is talking about. It's bad politics.

So, another cock up.

Just need to turn on the immigration taps for a while. Simple.

maybe...just maybe...as was shown with his panicky reshuffle after Hartlepool...Starmer and his team are pretty bloody shit at party management. From what I'm reading on twatter the unions are not impressed at all, and he was hoping to win them over with this electoral rule change thing but looking like it's backfiring badly. I don't know, could be end of days for starmer...which is really fuckin disappointing considering tories might be there for the taking if things continue to go pear shaped. Johnson is a lucky politician, no doubt about it (but at same time it isn't all luck).

cabotage. Well there's a new one.

Quick! Get some immigrants.

and a rise in National Insurance payments...when does that kick in?

meanwhile back in labour land...

isn't there a shortage of HGV drivers on the continent too? How did this suddenly happen? Is it just a demand/supply thing as stuff starts to open up again after the pandemic? In other news I went to Trafford centre this afternoon and there are loads of closed down shops (and hardly anyone wearing masks, but I guess that bit belongs in a different thread).

PANIC! 3 meals away from anarchy.

Gruadian view on starmer, labour and democracy etc. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/23/the-guardian-view-on-labours-voting-plans-empower-an-electorate

Yeah, well a lot of people can't remember 78/79 and will just see higher prices and their UC cut if they receive it, and for them it could be a hard few months.

Corbyn definitely offered an alternative. What Starmer goes on about in that essay could easily have been written by Johnson, or any other tory actually. But, I guess idea is to try and do what blair did in 97 and appeal to the centre ground. Trouble is, it isn't 97...and a lot of people are scarred from austerity, and now the pandemic, and want proper change. Really starting to feel both downbeat and apathetic tbh.

yeah, definitely....but they will only vote labour if they can trust they will make things better. But yeah, if this winter is bad, real bad, that will stick to this govt like the 2008 crash stuck to labour...so fingers crossed it's carnage.

Verdict on Starmer's essay...meh. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/sep/23/keir-starmer-labour-road-ahead-centre-fabian-society

but will they be cheering him on in a year or two when they haven't seen the levelling up they were promised?

It's all here. https://fabians.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/The-Road-Ahead-KEIR-STARMER_web.pdf

yeah, a lot of it is bollocks, but if that's what he needs to do to try and win over people who have switched from labour to tory/libdem, or maybe liberal tories who don't like Johnson...then why not. Like you say, he has to win over a lot of people, and this probably won't be enough...he basically needs bojo's government to fuck it up to stand any chance.

Starmer...saying a bunch of stuff.....might work with getting back tory voters...is definitely not going to please many on the left...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/22/keir-starmer-essay-sets-labour-on-course-for-centre-ground

well, there's Starmer's 14000 word essay to look forward to...and somehow Politics For All have got hold of it...