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On 8/13/2021 at 12:58 AM, kaosmark2 said:
I would go with either me or you as much as I'd go for Craig Overton. I don't think I've ever seen a supposed all-rounder look as irrelevant as Craig Overton with both bat and ball. 81mph dobblers combined with a lack of consistency, passable batting performances, and a vague concept of "having the right stuff" do not make a test all-rounder.
I'm a Somerset fan and I genuinely think he's the worst player to play for England since Simon Kerrigan, and even then I'm not sure he's much better. He tears it up in the county championship because of the brilliance of Gregory/Leach/Van Der Merwe at the other end, and batters going after him because he's the least canny bowler.
I don't rate him, I don't think he should have a future, and I think his borderline passable batting gives him an extra excuse to be picked instead of a genuine reason. If you're looking for a no8 bowling all-rounder I'd much rather see Lewis Gregory in the test team. If looking for an 81-83mph line and length bowler who takes wickets in the county game I'd much rather see Jamie Porter. If wanting someone who can extract wickets with pace and bounce on a Taunton pitch I'd rather his brother (even if he's moved to Surrey).
I think Sam Curran is very much a bits and pieces not-quite-masterful enough cricketer and who's had a test cap or two too many, but between his left arm variation and actual genuine batting capability, I think he's 4 times the cricketer Craig Overton is, and he's been the worst performer this test so far!
I thought Overton was pretty good in this test. I liked his consistency, he wasn’t erratic like Curran can be. Not suggesting he’s the next coming of Christ, not even suggesting he should play on Thursday, but as someone who has seen little of him, I was impressed.
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24 minutes ago, lost said:
I'm seeing West Ham are being linked with Vlasic instead of Lingard? It would be just our luck him performing well in the prem after the players we've churned through since we sold him
Its silly season isn’t it - everyone being linked with everyone, agents trying to drum up business for themselves
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5 minutes ago, The Nal said:
10 good games from 16 is a great return for Lingard.
10 good games spread across 16 games I’d be fine with. It was the fact it was the last 6 straight where he wasn’t putting the effort in that was the concern.
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57 minutes ago, rock the clock said:
On the safe standing thing, I was wondering if anyone knew if it allows for increased capacity or whether it's just the same and people are expected to stand?
And would you still have an allocated bit to go to or would it be unreserved ?
You still have an allocated position if it’s “safe standing”
I can’t see them having unreserved standing like their is in some German stadia but it’s better than the current position (albeit I’ve never sat in my West Ham seat for the last 30 years at either place)
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2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:
BBC are reporting that standing at games is going to be re allowed.
Alright Trigger
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26 minutes ago, The Nal said:
Probably not. Would you have him back for 15m?
If it was the Lingard that played the first 10 games then snap your hand off. If it was the Lingard that played the last 6 games then not a chance.
We have bigger concerns in other areas but overall yes I’d take him. Suspect there’s other suitors mind that are more attractive to him. Just don’t see him getting much game time for Man Utd so assume he’ll be off.
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49 minutes ago, The Nal said:
Only seems to communicate in tweet dumps, which should be banned IMO. Tweets are for Twitter
Agreed
49 minutes ago, The Nal said:Yeah but theres so much the younger lads (like Lingard) can learn from those two.
Will he be there much longer?
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9 hours ago, lost said:
So much for Real Madrid being skint.
Trying to spend more money they haven’t got
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7 of the first 11 are very good. 4 not so much, and the squad is absolute shite. Moyes’ two biggest achievements are refusing to bolster the squad with more shite and hiding the weaknesses of the first XI. Injuries and opposition managers more astute than Rodgers will see us moving down the table.
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That Lille v Marseille game went well
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1 hour ago, The Nal said:
Yeah but, Ronaldo. They made half that back in the first weekend in shirt sales.
No they didn’t. One of the biggest myths in football
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He is far better than Kane though.
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Excellent game at end to end game at SJP. Very happy with 4 goals away from home and 4 different goal scorers too. Pity it was marred by VAR as usual.
Desperately reinforcements though.
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45 minutes ago, kingbadger said:
Which is why I'd gave gone with Overton as a Broad replacement, and would have picked Wood over Curran for the fourth seamer role as the change up from medium pace. Overton/Robinson at 8 and 9 would still leave us with enough batting. We can still have horses for courses and have Wood there as an alternative.
I’d have kept Curran as he offers something different with his left arm and will give Moeen something to bowl into.
That said, both Curran and Wood have been totally ineffective thus far - so either way, results not great.
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2 hours ago, kingbadger said:
Not sure you can read too much into Wood's Lord's record. Might not be the best but his struggles were mainly when he first came on the scene and he's a different bowler with a different run up and focus now.
Disagree. Horses for courses. It’s a deck that McGrath, Gus Fraser, Woakes, Philander, etc have always done well on. Line and length, bit of movement off the seam, use the slope, hopefully get some help from overheads with swing.
It’s never been a deck for express pace bowlers like Wood
2 hours ago, kingbadger said:Just think it's mental how we think we can bring the likes of him and Moeen into the side with zero FC cricket behind them and expect them to perform.
100% agree
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12 minutes ago, kingbadger said:
I don't listen to podcasts but I might seek it out. I've got no interest in The Hundred, most of it due to the fact media objectivity (from BBC/Sky/papers etc) is completely censored because it just has to be the best thing since sliced bread. I've caught a couple of matches but just not for me. The fact they're all dressed as crisp packets really doesn't help.
I haven’t watched a ball and don’t intend to despite it being I’m sure an entertaining game - it is cricket after all.
I just can’t and won’t support something that is the start of the beginning of the end for county cricket as we know it.
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Am not surprised Lawrence has gone - he was competing with all rounders and specialist batsmen. Gone even though Pope isn’t fit enough for 5 days.
3 minutes ago, kingbadger said:Interesting to hear them talk about the schedule and how fucked it is but nobody brings up the fact The Hundred is absolute nonsense.
There was quite a long discussion about that very issue on the switch hit podcast.
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Sounds like Hameed in for Crawley
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1 hour ago, kingbadger said:
See this is what rings volumes for me - Cook can be deservedly considered a GOAT opener,
Of English openers?
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1 hour ago, kingbadger said:
Not entirely sure on what basis Root playing with lesser players has in terms of their batting prowess?
Wow…where to start?!
If you can’t see that scoring a hundred when you’re team are constantly 20-2 and not 0-0…and the difference between knowing if you fail there’s Strauss, Trott, KP, Bell, Collingwood following who all average 40+ behind you, versus a couple of swingers who may get 20 then you don’t understand pressure.
1 hour ago, kingbadger said:I'd be more amenable to the argument if Root batted at 3. As it is he hides himself down the order. I have no doubt that Cook would have easily averaged more than Root had he batted at 4 or below for the majority of his career, especially with being such a good player of spin.
Cook play 4?! Haha now I know you’re on a wind up!
1 hour ago, kingbadger said:I'd put Root and KP at an equal for me in terms of the modern era middle order players. Root for me has never quite fulfilled his potential as a player - he's not been someone to properly punish a team and his conversion rate shows that. He's often found ways to get to 50/60 without breaking a sweat then ended up snicking a wide one whilst trying to run it down to third man. He was neck and neck with Williamson/Kohli/Smith in the conversation of the best player in the world a few years back, however hasn't quite kicked on like the others have.
Not being as good as 3 of the world’s best evers, does not have any effect on whether he’s England’s best ever.
1 hour ago, kingbadger said:If you're giving kudos for batting in a poor team, then Thorpe and (specialist batsman) Stewart are up there too. Especially given the strength of test match attacks in the 90s/early 00s batting on much lesser wickets.
Both do get plenty of kudos. However Root’s already got 5 more hundreds than Thorpe ever did despite only playing 6 more tests, has the best part of 2000 extra runs and averages more despite being the captain Thorpe never was. Similarly Stewart was pure class but didn’t even average 40 - he’s been passed by Root in terms of runs scored despite playing in 30 less matches.
Seriously, if you’re going to troll at least throw in a Hammond, Hutton, Barrington or Hobbs!
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1 hour ago, kingbadger said:
In terms of someone who never hid themselves down the order, think the case can easily be made that Sir Alastair Cook holds that position as it stands.
Cook deserves all the accolades that came his way. Whilst him and Root are very different players in terms of style and technique, and not least batting position, Root is by far and away the better player. Cook had the luxury of playing in better teams than Root, Root’s average is better both overall and as captain. Barring fitness issues Root will overtake Cook’s runs record and his hundreds scored.
1 hour ago, kingbadger said:Assuming we're talking solely about test match cricket, of course.
Also a very big factor. Root plays all formats and excels in all formats.
6000 ODI runs averaging 50 and won a World Cup averaging over 60 in the tournament. Something Cook could only dream of.
Bizarrely, of the two, I always preferred watching Cook. I even went to Chelmsford just to watch him the season before last solely because I couldn’t bear the idea after that day at oval that I wouldn’t see him bat ever again. I can’t see me doing that with Root (even if he were to go back to county cricket after retiring - which I also don’t see).Root is still the better batsman though.
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1 hour ago, kingbadger said:
Not sure I'd refer to Root as being our best ever batsmen but that's an entirely different conversation to have altogether!
Unless you’re going back 50 years or more you’re going to struggle to make a case otherwise.
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9 hours ago, kingbadger said:
And the one quandary with Pope is that he's played the majority of his County career batting 5/6 and calling the flattest pitch in the country his home. Lawrence has at least batted 4 at Chelmsford for years so much more used to difficult English conditions and in the future only has to move up one position.
That’s a fair point about Pope and he’s also far from the finished article. My counter point re Lawrence is how many cheap boundaries he gets from playing on a tiny pitch week in week out?
9 hours ago, kingbadger said:I do think Pope/Lawrence/Crawley are all potential genuine top order Test match batsmen, and the issue is Root not being able to move up to 3.
Yes, agree to some extent. However Root is just not going anywhere from his position at 4, so the conversation is a pointless one. The only time I see that potentially changing is when Root is no longer the captain. Would a new captain/coach combo have the balls to say to England’s best ever batsman that if Root wants to play he has to play at 3?
9 hours ago, kingbadger said:I can distinctly remember coming out of the previous India tour in 2016 (?) thinking we'd see a combination of Cook/Hameed/Jennings/Root cemented at the top of the order for the foreseeable. Halcyon days!
I remember that well and being excited by both Hameed and Jennings. However, I’m pretty sure I made a comment on this very thread that may have involved the words swallow and summer!
9 hours ago, kingbadger said:Burns, Hameed, Root, Lawrence, Pope, Bairstow, Ali, Robinson, Wood, Anderson, Broad
Wood is crap at Lords, maybe they’ll go with Mahmood?
It’s a real shame Woakes is still a few weeks away from fitness.
The issue with Moeen is that India only have 1 left hander in their top and middle order?
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