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Adele - 20 (-5)
Disclosure – 35
New Order - 88
LCD Soundsystem - 92
Underworld – 65
James Blake – 76
Earth Wind and Fire - 69
Sigur Ros - 88
M83 - 70
Richard Hawley - 87
Philip Glass Heroes Symphony - 53
Grimes - 70
John Lees’ Barclay James Harvest – 57
The Shires – 50
Cyndi Lauper – 55
Treacherous Orchestra - 53
Proteje - 66 -
adele, coldplay
joint third place for catfish and the shittleblurts and the 1975. -
I've had difficulties over the last four years but this will be my fourth successive Glastonbury. I feel that this system rewards determination more than the alternative and in that respect, it is fairer. Those who want it more will try the coach sale, then the general sale, then the resales (as I myself have done). If I missed out on all four of those I think maybe I'm just not meant to go this time and seek an alternative festival.
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On 4/30/2016 at 1:43 AM, greenArmy12 said:
autotuning though... not a patch on the original for me.
as for the very best cover that ever graced the land? look no further: -
3 hours ago, rubenz said:
Who would you prefer to have on the Saturday night?
In my dreams Sabbath, Neil Young or Springsteen. I know in the case of the latter two they've headlined before in recent times (indeed same year) but that doesn't seem to be an issue in the case of the other two headliners. They're all touring the uk this summer and they're all about 90 times bigger than Adele in terms of influence and impact.
In my eyes Adele is the same as Celine Dion. Celine Dion was also highly marketable, loadsa records sold the world over and loads of UK number one albums and singles but who cares about her now? I couldn't name one Celine Dion song. That Titanic song maybe? Some legacy. Who in twenty years time is going to tell their kids about the time they saw Adele at Glastonbury... who dad? Who's that? D'you know what, I can't remember son.
Edit: More to the point - would Celine Dion have gotten anywhere near Saturday night on the Pyramid in the 90s?
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Yawn. Saturday night for goodness sake.
I started going to glasto in 2013. I think i've been to the worst glastos for headliners.
Don't get me wrong i love it to death and the rest of the bill is huge and has loads to go at but i think in the last four years lineups I've been excited for only arcade fire and the stones on pyramid headline slots.
I love music. I go out of my way to find excellent music and appreciate and enjoy it. I don't just flick on radio 1 and accept whatever dirge they play. Please glasto reward me and people like me, not the morons!
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A colleague of mine saw Adele last week on her tour and said that Adele told the crowd she wasn't doing Glastonbury.
I realise that this means little as it could easily be a red herring but still... Its hope.
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38-21.
Although I'd rather it that Glastonbury pushed the boundaries for once with the headliners.
If its Radiohead then its a bit better but the three must've been decided one really hungover morning. Who can we get that I don't need to think about whatsoever?
If its Adele then its the most tediously establishment headline bill I've ever seen Glastonbury put on.My nan will love watching it on the telly like. So thats alright. Long as the proper punters are happy. Long as the BBC is happy that David Cameron will be happy that there won't be any angry black sweary types polluting our royal great british telly channels this year then they might just get their charter renewed instead of being sold off to Rupert Murdoch (at the best price that they could possibly get for the hardworking british proper british royal britain taxpayer honest). And self obsessed perennial gap yah student Chris Martin might be made a knight (if he hasn't knighted himself already). For services to himself and to milksops the world over.
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I saw JC give a talk in the Adelphi at Liverpool in his election campaign to a crowd of c1300 in a room with a capacity of 700. The atmosphere was electric.
I was a little bit cynical before I saw him speak but I think I came to realise (indeed due to his own suggestion on the night) that its not about him but in fact he is the manifestation of every feeling of dissatisfaction with this talentless bunch of drones that constitute our present government, with the strangehold of right wing ideas and their perpetuation through media owned by people with vested interests etc. In this JC is a natural consequence of the events that went before and further he's the point on the spear tip and even if you might think that point is somewhat dull, with enough force behind it it can prevail.
Glastonbury isn't apolitical and nor should it have to be. Its run by a private company and just as the private companies that run the Times, the telegraph etc perpetuate the views of their owners and consumers; so too can Glasto and the fact of the matter is that JC's views do align with those promoted around Glasto. Anti war, pro social justice, anti racism etc etc - all good stuff. -
I agree with all contained herein. Got loads of time for Big Suze.
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Dax Riggs anybody? the guy is a genius and phenomenal live (see below) but never seems to tour outside of the US. glasto could surely be a big enough dinner ticket to lure him to our green and pleasant land?
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been discussed to great lengths on here, but they have dates on both the Thursday and Saturday of the festival, and aren't doing any back to back dates, so that pretty much rules them out (not that they were ever really that likely - whilst their better known songs would go down a treat, the rest would have people leaving in droves)
I disagree. As I said, if Metallica can fill a headline slot then Sabbath can do so with consummate ease. They have a greater quantity of recognisable hits that you will know even if by osmosis and their back catalogue is far broader in its scope (see Planet Caravan, Orchid, Changes for instance). There is easily enough material to fill a headline set with bangers even for a casual fan such as myself.
Music is subjective and whilst you may be right that some people may not have time for lots of the back catalogue, I and many others like me wouldn't have much time for Beyonce, Jay-Z or Kanye's back catalogue.
When all said and done, if you listen to the overdriven guitar samples in Kanye's 'All Day' and you could argue that even that tedious charlatan owes Sabbath. -
Black Sabbath are doing their 'farewell tour' in 2016. This the band that released the eponymous record "Black Sabbath" in 1970 along with the seminal album "Paranoid" later that year.
Surely if Metallica can get a headline spot for being 'legends' of the metal genre, then the godfathers of that genre (and indeed any overdrive heavy rock) can be afforded such a privilege on their final go round.
Their influence upon music is enormous and they are still relevant their 2013 album '13' was an international number one record including right here on these very shores. -
I dunno about anybody else but the only thing Glastonbury lacks and cries out for is an all-night (or at least late night) spot for trad/folk/irish music. Theres no sound so honest and uplifting than a good bit o' fiddle n some auld toothless fella dancing a jig around a broom and after many nights getting battered to bass music I feel like I crave a bit of something that is suitably jolly & pleasant (without losing any of the energy you require in the early hours of the morning). I also feel like that the genre exactly invokes all that Glastonbury is, so far as I perceive Glastonbury to capture our mystical heritage, presiding over the ancient spiritual link to our isles mystical druidic history.
Something jars in my being every time I spend a night dancing to bass music and doing drugs, then I sit on top of the hill and observe the nature after the chaos has subsided and I think... what a fraud we all are. Hedonism isn't it. Its supposed to be a celebration of the land, the music and of people.
I need folk, I need trad, I need Irish at 5am. It can remind us what we're here for. Its not about hedonism. Its about the land, the people and the music! -
danny dyers chocolate homunculous (you heard it here first)
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yes. i stayed for the two hours and it was mega. didn't see him at the blues but heard a number of people remarking that the stonebridge bar set was better afterwards.
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i've been waiting for the queen to die for ages (disclaimer: this was unrelated to the above topic n i couldn't give a fuck)
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The banking sector (and fractional lending system upon which it is based) is one area that
1. I don't fully understand
2. I don't feel particulary comfortable with
So I can't really give a decent answer.
I do, however, believe very strongly in freeing business as much as possible.
If you take a family business it is the owner of that business who is taking the initial risk, investing their capital etc An employee takes none of the risk. Risk and reward are different on both sides and there is nothing wrong with this. If the employee doesn't like anything about the job, they can start their own business or move elsewhere.
At a company level it's exactly the same, with shareholders taking the place of the owner.
I don't see this as giving business any "advantage" over people, more allowing businesses to flourish without undue restraint.
I agree that the deregulation of the banks was a massive cause of the crash. The banks knew they were onto a "win win", gambling with other peoples money knowing that the governments of the world couldn't let them fail. This is wrong and needs to be fixed (via seperation of investment and retail banking).
I'd counter that every employee takes a risk in joining a company in so far as if it goes bust they may lose their jobs, be unable to keep up with mortgage payments, lose their property etc etc. The right wing's bizarre idea that the labour force is infinitely mobile and able to uproot and change their skill base at a moments notice if they lose their jobs is a massive misconception and leads to poor policy decisions.
Moreover there are many many instances of shareholders of a company benefitting from worker's intellectual property - indeed in most organisations you are contractually obliged to relinquish any inventions, innovations, new practices etc to your masters. How is this fair?
You are correct that in a startup where PGs are given then an entrepreneur does bare a lot of the risk but at a higher level particularly in listed companies the risk is hugely diversified and yet the decisions and the rewards are concentrated within such a tiny minority and this imbalance is responsible for much of the economic turmoil we see today.
Myself, I hope that innovations such as crowdfunding will eventually become reasonable enough priced to help diversify risk for startups whilst not being outlandishly expensive and leaving the entrepreneur with too much margin to make up (as many crowdfunded loans are unsecured and have crazy interest rates).
I also believe that clearly the best structure for any mature company is one of employee ownership and activism. Diversified decision making and activism alongside a fair distribution of the rewards for the contributions that employees make is surely the way forward.
And aren't all these 'crowd' efforts and collaborative ownership structures all starting to sound just a little bit socialist?
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yeah its the working tax credits for me.
they're passing the book onto businesses to increase the wages they pay workers but the main means of negotiating pay rises between workers and the boardroom are unions. unfortunately the tory party also completely neutered those same unions some time ago (and continues to berate and chastise them when they do attempt to use their bargaining power by striking) so the upshot is that the companies will continue to pay their workers derisory wages with impunity and now the workers also don't have a government prepared to compensate them for this.
its a lose lose system for the poorest.
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Completely get all of the above, and as I say I'm not fussed one way or the other. I just find it odd how inclusivity is at the heart of so much of Glasto, yet so much is so narrow about the spectrum of opinions you see and can have. In our group of 6 for example, I know votes in May went for at least 3 different political parties. That's our choice, it doesn't make me like/respect them or anyone else more or less. However how it can be right for things like the below to be completely fine with no other side of the argument are what I'm referring to. Where's the huge mural mocking Ed Miliband?
Glastonbury is a collaborative performing arts festival as such the flavour of the festival reflects the flavour of the people who attend just like any collaborative effort. In the same way that if you asked a load of irish / trad / folk musicians to have a jam session together it shouldn't surprise you that they don't all start playing Indonesian gamelan.
So basically, if you want to do a performance art piece of you sucking David Cameron off - nobody is going to stop you.
But to you and your irk I say; you are just so not rainbow rhythms.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOKsSBRHOIg
Glasto is an annual event and some people (myself included) wear boring old suits to work and do boring old jobs for 'the man' all day long. All year round I have to bite my tongue as people senior to me at work express their swivel eyed right wing bullshit, offering a meek 'well yeah okay but have you ever thought about it like...' rather than yelling "YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON, MONETARISM/NEO CLASSICAL ECONOMICS DOESN'T WORK - AUSTERITY HAS FAILED AND YOU'RE GOING TO END UP KILLING US ALL"So - if once a year I can come to a place where I can revel in the glory of being surrounded by other switched on, pragmatic, loving people and if once a year I can have a little bit of my faith in the goodness of humanity restored then please I ask you for this one weekend do as I do for rest of the year and bit your greedy little tongue.
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Libs surely?
None of the other suggestions appeal to a similar crowd as the foo fighters. You are not going to placate a load of foo fighter fans with Taylor Swift - be reasonable.
Personally though, I'd love Sir Van Morrison. -
got to have future prime minister jeremy corbyn for a last minute slot somewhere!
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the tony benn grand old stage
The Glastonbury 2016 Hurt/Heal Headliner Game
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New Order - 98 (+5)
LCD Soundsystem - 100
Underworld – 73
James Blake – 68
Earth Wind and Fire - 75
Sigur Ros - 95
M83 - 70
Richard Hawley - 92
Philip Glass Heroes Symphony - 49
Grimes - 81
John Lees’ Barclay James Harvest – 57
The Shires – 20
Cyndi Lauper – 33
Treacherous Orchestra - 58
Protege - 64