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JPT: The Go! Team 55 Bright Eyes 80 Hot Chip 116 Doves 114 Jarvis Cocker 64 Echo & the Bunnymen 64 Groove Armada 75 Jamie T 61 Glasvegas 40 The Streets 91 Phoenix 95 MGMT 60 London Grammar 140 Sigur Ros 90 Interpol 70 Jazzworld/West Holts: Roy Ayers 55 Baaba Maal 50 Femi Kuti 49 Damien Marley 40 Rodrigo y Gabriela 80 Jimmy Cliff 61 Manu Chao 49 Q-Tip 50 George Clinton with Parliament/Funkadelic 47 Big Boi 55 Kool and the Gang 115 Chic ft. Nile Rodgers 125 Public Enemy 49 Bobby Womack 49 The Mothership Returns (George Clinton, Parliament, Funkadelic and The Family Stone) 95 Underworld 103 Earth, Wind and Fire 115 Justice 369 Janelle Monae 171 The Park: CSS 55 Animal Collective 55 Bon Iver 145 Seun Kuti 46 The Horrors 55 Metronomy 70 Mogwai 50 James Blake 70 (-10) Super Furry Animals 50 Richard Hawley 60 Grimes 102 The Flaming Lips 55 Kano 70

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JPT: The Go! Team 55 Bright Eyes 80 Hot Chip 116 The Gossip 50 Doves 114 Jarvis Cocker 54 Echo & the Bunnymen 64 Groove Armada 75 Jamie T 61 Glasvegas 50 The Streets 91 Phoenix 95 MGMT 60 London Grammar 130 Sigur Ros 90 Interpol 70 Jazzworld/West Holts: Roy Ayers 55 Baaba Maal 50 Femi Kuti 49 Damien Marley 49 Rodrigo y Gabriela 79 Jimmy Cliff 61 Manu Chao 49 Q-Tip 49 George Clinton with Parliament/Funkadelic 50 Big Boi 55 Kool and the Gang 110 Chic ft. Nile Rodgers 125 Public Enemy 49 Bobby Womack 50 MIA 31 The Mothership Returns (George Clinton, Parliament, Funkadelic and The Family Stone) 95 Underworld 103 Earth, Wind and Fire 110 Justice 349 Janelle Monae 165 The Park: CSS 55 Animal Collective 55 Bon Iver 155 Seun Kuti 55 The XX 31 (-10) The Horrors 55 Metronomy 70 Mogwai 50 James Blake 81 Super Furry Animals 50 Richard Hawley 60 Grimes 102 The Flaming Lips 55 Warpaint 45 Kano 70

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JPT: The Go! Team 53 Bright Eyes 80 Hot Chip 111 The Gossip 50 Doves 114 Jarvis Cocker 54 Echo & the Bunnymen 64 Groove Armada 75 Jamie T 61 Glasvegas 60 The Streets 91 Phoenix 94 MGMT 60 London Grammar 125 FFS (Franz Ferdinand and Sparks) 30 Sigur Ros 80 Interpol 70 Jazzworld/West Holts: Roy Ayers 55 Baaba Maal 50 Femi Kuti 49 Damien Marley 49 Rodrigo y Gabriela 77 Jimmy Cliff 61 Manu Chao 49 Q-Tip 49 George Clinton with Parliament/Funkadelic 50 Big Boi 55 Kool and the Gang 110 Chic ft. Nile Rodgers 115 Public Enemy 49 My Lovely Horse 50 Bobby Womack 50 MIA 51 The Mothership Returns (George Clinton, Parliament, Funkadelic and The Family Stone) 92 Underworld 103 Earth, Wind and Fire 110 Justice 349 Janelle Monae 160 The Park: CSS 53 My Morning Jacket 40 Animal Collective 55 Bon Iver 155 Seun Kuti 55 The XX 32 (-10) The Horrors 55 Metronomy 70 Mogwai 50 James Blake 81 Super Furry Animals 50 Richard Hawley 60 Grimes 101 The Flaming Lips 55 Warpaint 45 Kano 65

JPT: The Go! Team 51 Bright Eyes 80 Hot Chip 100 The Gossip 50 Doves 114 Jarvis Cocker 54 Echo & the Bunnymen 64 Groove Armada 71 Jamie T 71 Glasvegas 60 The Streets 89 Phoenix 92 MGMT 60 London Grammar 155 Suede 55 FFS (Franz Ferdinand and Sparks) 45 Sigur Ros 80 Interpol 70 Jazzworld/West Holts: Roy Ayers 55 Baaba Maal 50 Femi Kuti 49 Damien Marley 49 Rodrigo y Gabriela 72 Jimmy Cliff 51 Manu Chao 49 Q-Tip 49 George Clinton with Parliament/Funkadelic 20 Big Boi 55 Kool and the Gang 100 Chic ft. Nile Rodgers 115 Public Enemy 49 Bobby Womack 50 MIA 51 The Mothership Returns (George Clinton, Parliament, Funkadelic and The Family Stone) 90 Flying Lotus 20 (-10) Underworld 103 Earth, Wind and Fire 100 Justice 329 Janelle Monae 144 The Park: CSS 51 My Morning Jacket 50 Animal Collective 55 Bon Iver 145 Seun Kuti 55 The XX 52 The Horrors 55 Metronomy 60 Mogwai 50 James Blake 75 Super Furry Animals 50 Richard Hawley 60 Grimes 94 The Flaming Lips 51 Warpaint 50 Kano 65

The Go! Team 51 Bright Eyes 80 Hot Chip 100 The Gossip 50 Doves 114 Jarvis Cocker 54 Echo & the Bunnymen 64 Groove Armada 71 Jamie T 70 Ash 30 Glasvegas 60 The Streets 89 Phoenix 92 MGMT 60 London Grammar 145 Suede 55 FFS (Franz Ferdinand and Sparks) 45 Sigur Ros 80 Interpol 70 Jazzworld/West Holts: Roy Ayers 55 Baaba Maal 50 Femi Kuti 49 Damien Marley 49 Rodrigo y Gabriela 72 Jimmy Cliff 51 Manu Chao 49 Q-Tip 49 George Clinton with Parliament/Funkadelic 24 Big Boi 55 Kool and the Gang 100 Chic ft. Nile Rodgers 105 Public Enemy 49 Bobby Womack 50 MIA 51 The Mothership Returns (George Clinton, Parliament, Funkadelic and The Family Stone) 90 Flying Lotus 30 (-10) Underworld 103 Earth, Wind and Fire 100 Justice 319 Janelle Monae 140 The Park: CSS 51 My Morning Jacket 50 Animal Collective 55 Bon Iver 137 Seun Kuti 55 The XX 52 Gruff Rhys 19 The Horrors 55 Metronomy 60 Mogwai 50 James Blake 75 Super Furry Animals 50 Richard Hawley 60 Grimes 94 The Flaming Lips 51 Warpaint 50 Kano 65

I think we’re on the same page here? I don’t think its possible or even right to try to force a value system onto another culture. Particularly because the values are actually the idealised values of the day, but are not universally practised. There are many communities within the UK in which women are still treated as second class citizens. We don’t invade these communities or ban them from public life. Furthermore, its only a generation or two ago that gays were prosecuted, criminals hung and women were seen more or less as chattel in the UK. And a similar relatively short span of time since parts of the US practised apartheid. Would the US/UK invade the US/UK to overthrow those brutal regimes of 1950s Britain/America? Economic growth, industrialisation, urbanisation, education all achieve enlightenment far faster than any army does. Also, long term stability is a prerequisite for these things. The Afghan war has probably just set afghanistan back a generation.

Indeed but the outrage now is superficially about human rights when that concern is not expressed consistently. Especially when expressed by those who have consistently voted to diminish human rights in their own country… I for one am loving seeing all these ex forces sad bois crying as they realise that their neo colonialism doesn’t work and all their efforts were, in fact, utterly meaningless. I just hope they direct their bitterness at those who took them in there in the first place.

The taliban afforded Bin Laden the pashtun custom of protection for guests. It would have been too great a taboo in their culture if they’d have given him up. In the end the yanks got Bin Laden with a special ops team but in Pakistan and after a decade of smashing the shit out of afghanistan. Why they couldn’t have done that first is a mystery. Ideally any country wouldn’t be ruled by religious hardliners who have human rights abuses baked into their ideology. But what I don’t like is the hypocrisy of the moral panic about the taliban retaking control. The taliban have held swathes of afghanistan the whole time, why was it acceptable to centrists before and not now? Why was a little bit of taliban control acceptable? Why is Saudi Arabia allowed to go on chopping off limbs of thieves, public executions, giving women no rights, forced marriages etc without the west invading? The inconsistency makes me suspect it isn’t really about human rights. And still there is no acceptance of the fact that this paternalism and interventionism of the right and centre is always doomed to fail. They have to recognise the hypocrisy of preaching liberalism but only when people do what they want them to do. You can’t force your belief system on people at gun point. End of.

Sensing some raw centrist egos in this thread rn. The invasion of afghanistan was a disaster from start to finish. Own it Blairites!

JPT: The Go! Team 55 Bright Eyes 80 Hot Chip 95 The Gossip 51 Doves 79 Jarvis Cocker 59 Echo & the Bunnymen 59 Groove Armada 65 Jamie T 51 Ash 50 Glasvegas 60 The Streets 74 Phoenix 85 MGMT 60 London Grammar 125 Suede 55 FFS (Franz Ferdinand and Sparks) 45 Sigur Ros 80 M83 26 Interpol 70 Jazzworld/West Holts: Roy Ayers 55 Baaba Maal 51 Femi Kuti 49 Damien Marley 49 Rodrigo y Gabriela 66 Jimmy Cliff 51 Ethiopiques 10 Manu Chao 49 Q-Tip 49 George Clinton with Parliament/Funkadelic 63 Big Boi 55 Kool and the Gang 90 Chic ft. Nile Rodgers 105 Public Enemy 49 Bobby Womack 51 MIA 51 The Mothership Returns (George Clinton, Parliament, Funkadelic and The Family Stone) 87 Flying Lotus 51 Underworld 103 Earth, Wind and Fire 100 The Jacksons 51 Justice 299 Janelle Monae 123 The Park: CSS 51 My Morning Jacket 51 Animal Collective 49 Bon Iver 122 (-10) Seun Kuti 55 The XX 52 Gruff Rhys 40 The Horrors 51 Metronomy 60 Mogwai 51 James Blake 60 Super Furry Animals 50 Richard Hawley 60 Grimes 81 The Flaming Lips 51 Warpaint 51 Kano 65

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JPT: The Go! Team 55 Bright Eyes 80 Hot Chip 84 The Gossip 51 The Cribs 31 (+6) Doves 65 Jarvis Cocker 50 Echo & the Bunnymen 50 Groove Armada 65 Jamie T 50 Ash 60 Glasvegas 60 The Streets 68 Hurts 55 Phoenix 75 MGMT 60 London Grammar 115 Suede 55 FFS (Franz Ferdinand and Sparks) 50 Sigur Ros 80 M83 50 Interpol 60 Jazzworld/West Holts: Roy Ayers 55 Baaba Maal 50 Femi Kuti 50 Damien Marley 50 Rodrigo y Gabriela 66 Jimmy Cliff 50 Ethiopiques 40 Manu Chao 50 Q-Tip 49 (-1) George Clinton with Parliament/Funkadelic 63 Big Boi 55 Kool and the Gang 90 Chic ft. Nile Rodgers 105 Public Enemy 50 Bobby Womack 50 MIA 50 The Mothership Returns (George Clinton, Parliament, Funkadelic and The Family Stone) 85 Flying Lotus 50 Underworld 101 Earth, Wind and Fire 90 The Jacksons 49 (-1) Justice 280 Janelle Monae 123 The Park: CSS 45 My Morning Jacket 50 Animal Collective 49 (-1) Bon Iver 127 Seun Kuti 55 The XX 52 Gruff Rhys 40 The Horrors 50 Metronomy 60 Mogwai 51 James Blake 60 Super Furry Animals 50 Richard Hawley 60 Grimes 81 The Flaming Lips 51 Warpaint 50 Kano 60 (-1)

JPT: The Go! Team 55 Bright Eyes 80 Hot Chip 84 The Gossip 51 The Cribs 45 Doves 65 Jarvis Cocker 50 Echo & the Bunnymen 50 Groove Armada 65 Jamie T 41 Ash 60 Glasvegas 60 The Streets 65 Hurts 55 Phoenix 75 MGMT 60 London Grammar 115 Suede 55 FFS (Franz Ferdinand and Sparks) 50 Sigur Ros 80 M83 50 Interpol 60 Jazzworld/West Holts: Roy Ayers 55 Baaba Maal 50 Femi Kuti 50 Damien Marley 50 Rodrigo y Gabriela 65 Jimmy Cliff 50 Ethiopiques 50 Manu Chao 50 Q-Tip 50 George Clinton with Parliament/Funkadelic 63 Big Boi 50 Kool and the Gang 90 Chic ft. Nile Rodgers 95 Public Enemy 50 Bobby Womack 50 MIA 50 The Mothership Returns (George Clinton, Parliament, Funkadelic and The Family Stone) 85 Flying Lotus 50 Underworld 101 Earth, Wind and Fire 90 Dizzee Rascal 20 The Jacksons 50 Justice 260 Janelle Monae 113 The Park: CSS 45 My Morning Jacket 50 Animal Collective 50 Bon Iver 127 Seun Kuti 50 The XX 52 Gruff Rhys 50 The Horrors 50 Metronomy 60 Mogwai 51 James Blake 60 Super Furry Animals 50 Richard Hawley 60 Grimes 74 The Flaming Lips 51 Warpaint 50 Kano 31 (-10)

The Go! Team 55 Bright Eyes 80 Hot Chip 84 The Gossip 51 The Cribs 45 The National 35 Doves 65 Jarvis Cocker 50 Echo & the Bunnymen 50 Groove Armada 65 Jamie T 51 Ash 60 Glasvegas 60 The Streets 65 Hurts 55 Phoenix 75 MGMT 60 London Grammar 115 Suede 55 FFS (Franz Ferdinand and Sparks) 50 Sigur Ros 80 M83 61 Interpol 60 Jazzworld/West Holts: Roy Ayers 55 Baaba Maal 50 Femi Kuti 50 Damien Marley 50 Rodrigo y Gabriela 65 Jimmy Cliff 50 Ethiopiques 50 Manu Chao 50 Q-Tip 50 George Clinton with Parliament/Funkadelic 63 Big Boi 50 Kool and the Gang 80 Chic ft. Nile Rodgers 95 Public Enemy 50 Bobby Womack 50 MIA 50 The Mothership Returns (George Clinton, Parliament, Funkadelic and The Family Stone) 85 Flying Lotus 50 Underworld 101 Earth, Wind and Fire 90 Dizzee Rascal 23 The Jacksons 51 Justice 250 Janelle Monae 103 The Park: CSS 45 My Morning Jacket 50 Animal Collective 50 Bon Iver 127 Seun Kuti 50 The XX 52 Gruff Rhys 50 The Horrors 50 Fuck Buttons 20 Metronomy 60 Mogwai 51 James Blake 60 Super Furry Animals 50 Richard Hawley 60 Grimes 74 The Flaming Lips 51 Warpaint 50 Kano 51 (-10)

JPT: The Go! Team 55 Bright Eyes 80 Hot Chip 84 The Gossip 51 The Cribs 45 Biffy Clyro 40 The National 35 Doves 55 Jarvis Cocker 50 Echo & the Bunnymen 50 Groove Armada 61 Jamie T 51 Ash 60 Glasvegas 60 The Streets 64 Hurts 55 Phoenix 75 MGMT 60 London Grammar 92 Suede 55 FFS (Franz Ferdinand and Sparks) 50 Sigur Ros 80 M83 61 Interpol 60 Jazzworld/West Holts: Roy Ayers 55 Baaba Maal 50 Femi Kuti 50 Damien Marley 50 Rodrigo y Gabriela 65 Jimmy Cliff 50 Ethiopiques 50 Manu Chao 50 Q-Tip 50 George Clinton with Parliament/Funkadelic 63 Big Boi 50 Kool and the Gang 80 Chic ft. Nile Rodgers 85 Public Enemy 50 Bobby Womack 50 MIA 50 The Mothership Returns (George Clinton, Parliament, Funkadelic and The Family Stone) 85 Flying Lotus 50 Underworld 94 Earth, Wind and Fire 80 Dizzee Rascal 43 The Jacksons 51 Justice 232 Janelle Monae 100 The Park: CSS 51 My Morning Jacket 50 Animal Collective 50 Bon Iver 130 Seun Kuti 50 The XX 52 Gruff Rhys 50 The Horrors 50 Fuck Buttons 20 Metronomy 60 Mogwai 51 James Blake 60 Super Furry Animals 50 Jon Hopkins 31 (-10) Richard Hawley 60 Grimes 65 The Flaming Lips 50 Warpaint 50 Kano 61

JPT: The Go! Team 55 Bright Eyes 80 Hot Chip 84 The Gossip 51 The Cribs 40 (+10) Biffy Clyro 40 The National 35 Doves 55 Jarvis Cocker 50 Echo & the Bunnymen 50 Groove Armada 60 Jamie T 35 Ash 60 Glasvegas 60 The Streets 64 Hurts 55 Phoenix 65 MGMT 60 London Grammar 92 Suede 55 FFS (Franz Ferdinand and Sparks) 50 Sigur Ros 80 M83 61 Interpol 60 Jazzworld/West Holts: Roy Ayers 55 Baaba Maal 50 Femi Kuti 50 Damien Marley 50 Rodrigo y Gabriela 65 Jimmy Cliff 50 Ethiopiques 50 Manu Chao 50 Q-Tip 50 Playing For Change 20 George Clinton with Parliament/Funkadelic 63 Big Boi 50 Kool and the Gang 80 Chic ft. Nile Rodgers 85 Public Enemy 50 Bobby Womack 50 MIA 50 The Mothership Returns (George Clinton, Parliament, Funkadelic and The Family Stone) 80 Flying Lotus 50 Underworld 94 Earth, Wind and Fire 80 Dizzee Rascal 43 The Jacksons 51 Justice 232 Janelle Monae 100 The Park: CSS 51 My Morning Jacket 50 Animal Collective 50 Bon Iver 120 Seun Kuti 50 The XX 52 Gruff Rhys 50 The Horrors 50 Fuck Buttons 40 Metronomy 60 Mogwai 51 James Blake 55 Super Furry Animals 50 Jon Hopkins 45 Richard Hawley 60 Philip Glass' Heroes Symphony 40 Grimes 61 The Flaming Lips 50 Warpaint 50 Kano 61

You forgot to write your key assumption in:

that’s one way to look at it..

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JPT: The Go! Team 55 Bright Eyes 70 Hot Chip 74 The Gossip 51 The Cribs 30 Biffy Clyro 50 The National 50 Doves 52 Jarvis Cocker 50 Echo & the Bunnymen 50 Groove Armada 60 Jamie T 35 Ash 60 DJ Shadow 40 (-10) Glasvegas 60 The Streets 60 Hurts 50 Phoenix 65 Kaiser Chiefs 30 MGMT 60 London Grammar 92 Suede 55 FFS (Franz Ferdinand and Sparks) 50 Sigur Ros 80 M83 61 Interpol 60 Jazzworld/West Holts: Roy Ayers 55 Baaba Maal 50 Femi Kuti 50 Damien Marley 50 Rodrigo y Gabriela 65 Jimmy Cliff 50 Ethiopiques 50 Manu Chao 50 Q-Tip 50 Playing For Change 40 George Clinton with Parliament/Funkadelic 63 Big Boi 50 Kool and the Gang 70 Chic ft. Nile Rodgers 85 Public Enemy 50 Bobby Womack 50 MIA 50 The Mothership Returns (George Clinton, Parliament, Funkadelic and The Family Stone) 80 Flying Lotus 50 Underworld 91 Earth, Wind and Fire 80 Dizzee Rascal 43 The Jacksons 51 Justice 222 Janelle Monae 90 The Park: CSS 51 My Morning Jacket 50 Animal Collective 50 Bon Ivor 110 Seun Kuti 50 The XX 52 Gruff Rhys 50 The Horrors 50 Fuck Buttons 50 Metronomy 60 Mogwai 50 James Blake 51 Super Furry Animals 50 Jon Hopkins 50 Richard Hawley 60 Philip Glass' Heroes Symphony 40 Grimes 61 The Flaming Lips 50 Warpaint 50 Kano 61

If you look at the detail on that yougov poll, you’ll see that a decent amount of the libdem vote has gone to Labour which is why its held up so well. Honestly with how dire Starmer has been he doesnt deserve it. But airhead lib dem voters are horny for the superficial shit like the knighthood and the former DPP in the same way that tory voters are horny for Rees Moggs accent and big words irrespective of the politics. In any case, I reckon he’ll make half a fist of courting the middle with a few more tory scandals/rows. Voters are fickle as football fans, it happens slowly, then all of a sudden.