Mr Ploppy
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Difference being, that Debbie Harry is an artist ,and Dolly was an artist but has now turned into merely an entertainer.
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I dont understand the point.
The My Tennessee video is obviously live with a guitar detuning and all is good - but what does that have to do with her miming at Glastonbury?
She is obviously a great songwriter, singer and is a musician... but she wasnt 2 of those things at Glastonbury 2014 and the fact there is a video of her pre-plastic phase is great - but that was a long time ago and her age may well have had an impact on her ability to perform live as she did when she was younger.
Saying that though... it didnt stop Debbie Harry ;-)
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oh woooooow!
Identical!
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Heres one. 10 mins left! 21 quid at time of posting.
that just sold for £26! Not bad for some post gig tat!
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So who got a black metallica beachball and who got one of the mega mega big colourful ones bouncing about?
I've been told they are selling for silly amounts on fleabay.
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To be fair, there is another guitarist behind her playing the main guitar part. Cant hear a second guitar in the mix mind, so dont know what dollys meant to be playing
She's playin the fool.
Crazy fool! (in a B.A. stylie)
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It's a little known fact that Dolly played the banjo on Ernie, The Fastest Milkman In The West.
Nice!
And wasnt it Rod Stewart that played harmonica on My Boy Lollipop - or is that a silly myth type thingy. lol
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What was the Laurel & Hardy Theme? If memory serves it was The cuckoo waltz... but how many people hear that tune and think "oh its the cuckoo waltz". Nope - they think "oh its the Laurel & Hardy theme".
The Benny Hill Theme is the Benny Hill theme. I'm sure sexist Benny didnt write it and I'm sure it was around long before Bennys boys used it as his theme...
But its still the Benny Hill theme!
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I have read this, I hear what you're saying but you are instilling your tastes on people. Music aint just about raw noise. 'Trickery' is just as much about giving a good show. We know Dolly is talented, she writes good stuff and can/could sing it pretty well.But she's an OAP now. If she needs to have a backing track/mime/empty her catheter bag to give a good show then so be it. I guarantee the majority of Sunday's crowd couldn't give a flying turd. When you get to a certain age after achieving so much, as someone mentoned before, its either this or no performance and I'd prefer Dolly to sing/mime to me whilst I'm drinking alcohol in the sunshine.
whoooa, not at all. I havent mentioned my tastes at all. I've mentioned Dolly, Blondie, Metallica, Kasabian, Leonard Cohen, Nick Cave, Shakin Stevens and Dry The River. Out of that list there is only Dry The River I am a fan of.. the rest are some I like and some I dont - but I havent mentioned my tastes.
I have mentioned the difference between singing live and miming.
You are right though, she is an OAP... alot of people are... including Debbie Harry (who sung live).
You are missing the point by miles. I agree that if its either 'that' or no performance - I too would rather have 'that'.... but to deny miming is a big no-no.
Its all quite simple really, OAP (as you put it) mimes, some like it, some dont. Each to their own.
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As you say Ploppy - either people's interest or ability to spot a mime ("Ive seen spinals!" etc) has diminished or theres more of a willingness to accept a performer taking a shortcut. Lot of proper smart heads on this thread reacting with a real "meh" is a worry I have to say. We're a generation from the Hendrix hologram headlining the festival mark my words. People just couldnt give a fiddlers.
Thats it Wooders.
I have no problem with 'theatrics' for bands that need it. For example, The Pet Shop Boys need a stage show and all the extra appeal to go along with the way they perform... but even Neil Tennant sings live!
I fear at times that the days of watching a band and appreciating how hard it is to perform live (warts and all (no Lemmy jokes please)) and then walking away being impressed or judgemental are sometimes being replaced with the 'wow' factor. The wow factor can be anything from pyrotechnics to silly Benny Hill Sax miming... but nevertheless - the overall feeling from a performance should be the music and the ability of the artist.
A number of years ago bands and record labels realised that live music was the money maker and not the albums, since then there seems to be an ever increasing need to put a 'wow' spin on everything and make people talk about the live experience. Thats fine, as an experience of something that gets your heart racing is good - but I do feel that sometimes people lose sight of what they are there for - and thats the music.
The Parton 'theatrics' for me and the denial of it all is a big disappointment. I'm not a Parton fan and missed her on the Pyramid, but I'm savvy enough to know her body of work (and I'm not talking about the plastic bits (oo-er)) and that she is a well respected artist.... so why did she have to resort to such blatent trickery. Did she not realise she would be broadcast live in 1080i?
There are some crazy views flying around this thread at the moment and I'm amazing Russy kept fairly quite about the comment that Leonard Cohen never had a great singing voice anyway so it doesnt matter that he is older... thats not the point... the point is that Leonard is an amazing songwriter and artist, without him I doubt we would have Nick Cave and if its so easy to make an incredible worldwide career out of not being able to sing very well - then why isnt everyone doing it? Simple really... because not everyone has the talent to pull it off... Leonard does, but in the same way I suspect Dolly does too. She is established, respected and popular - so why the heck resort to trickery?
Yeah that late afternoon Dolly slot was always gonna be geared up for a party vibe - but last year did Kenny Rogers come on and play the Laurel & Hardy theme on a didgeridoo? Nope, because he put the work into being the artist he is known to be.
People are far too easily pleased. I remember people going on about the black beachballs flying around after the Metallica gig but not many people actually commenting on the band. I remember mentioning Kasabian and alot of people saying "did you see those awesome lasers" and not really mentioning the set itself. There is a bit too much of a 'spectacular' slant on things these days and trying far too hard to make it memorable.
Dolly and her crew certainly made it memorable - but in a way that was a full on trick of the audience. And yeah, alot of the audience didnt mind what was going on, who was singing it or whether there were any strings on any of the guitars - simply because they enjoyed it... and thats fine. But dont let that overshadow the fact that she is supposed to be a talented and respected artist and lowered herself to becoming as fake as her looks when all along she never needed to.
Last Glasto (2013) I went into Toad Hall and watched a guy play guitar and sing. There were about 40 people in there and it was one of my highlights of last year for sure. Sometimes the theatrics are a good diversion from respecting an artist and so I have no problem just having a fun and crazy dancing time in front of the pyramid. yes, I was there in the morning that year dancing and singing my head off to This Old House by Shaky, but I'll come full circle and say that the important thing to remember is this:
what I really mean
before the Dolly gig - loads of people were talking about watching her. After the Dolly gig - loads of people were talking about how they watched her. The figures the beeb got for showing her set were through the roof and I heard something about it being one of the biggest Pyramid crowds ever. People were impressed with her voice and impressed she could play all those instruments, my mate even commented on that. But the reality of it was she mimed and faked playing an instrument(s) and then had the audacity to deny it. hmmmn,
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Len should have been on the blower regardless:
"I've heard there was a secret chord
That David played, and it pleased the Lord
But you don't really care for music, do ya?
You Plonker."
LMFAO! Genius!
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...but this is the first time singers have tried to really pull a fast one on the crowd/audience that I can remember.
I can only imagine the dogs abuse someone like Macca would get if he mimed Blackbird at Glasto.
Wooders - stop talking so much sense as I'm getting fed up of agreeing with you.
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Leonard Cohen didn't bring Nicholas Lyndhurst out either.
Yeah but the Pyramid stage isn't tall enough to accommodate the height of nicholas lyndhursts elongated skull.
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I do agree with you The Nal, it was a fun act and had a party vibe from what I can see, but Parton does have alot of fans. I've known people that adore what she does and she is obviously a talented artist and songwriter which does make her credible.
Parton is established and has achieved alot in her long career and so I think she should have been more 'down the line' with her Glasto performance. Yeah she threw in great banter and tried to do something different with the Benny Hill Theme etc etc - but did she really need to? She was gonna draw that crowd anyway.
I do think the whole Dolly Parton thing is quite sad really as she isnt a has-been that people laugh at, she is a credible artist, CaledonianGonzo knows all her tunes and so do alot of people probably. But as I said before,the Pyramid crowd were probably just waiting for 9 to 5 and Jolene so maybe thats why things were 'dramatised' somewhat by Parton and hew management.
Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against her or anyone who enjoyed the gig - my only gripe is the denial and the fact everyone seemed to be raving about somebody miming her vocals and the complete bizarre nature of her miming the Benny Hill Theme on a Sax.
Hmmmn, I suppose knowing music so well and being able to spot a mime as soon as it happens (as I disappointingly did the first time Roger Waters started to do it) is something I'll have to live with. lol
That USA video someone posted on this thread the other day says alot too as she seems to have 'previous' with this kinda thing.
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Not its not up for grabs chief in fairness. Dolly has previous here.
She mimed - not for everything - but for a proportion of the show the vocal we heard was pre-recorded. Jolene and Nine to Five frinstance. Arguably her two most famous songs were categorically not sung live at Glastonbury. End of.
I don't have such an issue with it as I've said on here last week - 9 to 5 is a HOOR of a song to perform live. It was the denial that pissed me right off. Taking us for utter mugs.
100% agree.
Thats the thing that gets to me too - the denial.
Its okay for Dolly fans and those who enjoyed the set to be in denial, but for those of us who can quite clearly through the miming - it does really convey that we are being played as fools.
How anyone can think she played that Sax is just incredible.
Jolene for example... parts of it actually sound like she is in a recording studio. Its hard to explain - you either see through the charade or you dont, its as simple as that.
2 minutes into this video here... how can anyone think this is live...
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My only disappointment with the Dolly gig is that she didn't finish up with Wendy Craig and Nicholas Lyndhurst on stage for a run through of Love Is Like a Butterfly.
he he he. Excellent!
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I am in the minority then - was in the front pit for Dolly and have watched it back on TV twice.
She did not play the violin.
She did play the guitar and the sax.
She did not mime.
I have worked with music lots of my life so have 'experience'........ when looking to see if someone is really singing, look at the neck!
Opinion respected, but as a musician myself and someone who can see through veils of fake, I just have to say that I could belt out a tune and my face, neck and mannerisms would convey it all - but I could be silent in doing so. Actors act.
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Yep, I was kinda annoyed that she denied the miming too - or at least her 'people' denied it.
And again.... I come back to Debbie Harry who didnt mine and is the same age.
The Dolly thing is a kinda disgrace really and I agree with Wooderson that those who say it was great and dont care about the miming added to the media frenzy of how great she was when in all honesty most people probably knew 2 songs and hadnt a clue what was live and what wasnt. Yeah, each to their own but for a slot that got so much praise I think its very undeserved.
I'm actually gonna watch the full Dolly gig online and am dreading seeing this array of instruments she was 'playing' as I'm sure I'm gonna just sit and shake my head in disgust to it all, but I have just seen the 'sax' bit and its just ludicrous. She is out of breathe with her pre-scriped banter and there is no way in the world she played that uber-high-tempo tune, it just looked daft.
I saw Dry The River instead, but my mate saw Dolly and said:
1.Her voice was great.
2.She was really talented and played different instruments.
3.She had great banter with the crowd.
4.She looks pretty good for her age.
Well, I'm sorry to be blunt but my replies having looked into the Dolly show.
1.Fake
2.Fake
3.Pretty great really.
4.Fake.
Glad I watched real musicians in John Peel anyway. ;-) -
Watched Dry The River instead of Dolly and so have just checked out the beeb footage of Jolene.
Its blatantly obvious Dolly was miming and its pointless denying it because if you have an ear for sound and know your stuff its as clear as day.
Now, I wasnt keen on seeing Dolly and I really dont care that she was miming although I think its a little pathetic.
What get my goat though is that even though Blondie played a cracking set, a few peeps around the site made comment that her voice isnt what it used to be. Well of course it isnt due to her age, but at least she sung live and its kinda sad all the praise Dolly got for duping a crowd.
Just my opinion on it all, but one thing is for certain - Dolly certainly mimed at least part of her set.
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Sorry for your loss and hope you find the items
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What a sight!
A crowd of baying disrespectful fire worshipers jumping and down as if it was the best thing they'd ever seen in their lives.... until the next wannabe finds a chair or something else on the pyramid field to thrown on and increase the flames as a cheer goes up.
Bangs going off too so I presume some kinds of pressurised containers or canisters were being thrown on too by the numbskulls - jeez - I thought I'd seen the last of that when I stopped going to the Leeds Festival.
I've got a long history of going to Glasto and havent seen such stupidity and ridiculousness as I saw on that Sunday night. Not only did everyone ignore the danger of putting canisters on a big bonfire, but the roars of support and glee as another discarded item was thrown on made me just look at these people and wonder why they chose Glastonbury to come and demonstrate they could act like animals.
I love a campfire, and I love a bonfire - but not with that level of destructive aggression that was being shown by people that acted like they had come from prehistoric times and throwing anything they could find on a fire was the height of enjoyment.
And lets not forget - this is someones land that they were allowed onto!
nope, I'm not gonna go on about the environmental impact of anything as my main concern was the shear aggression that was being shown and it was all quite unnerving to watch and at times I felt real shame on behalf of those who chose to take part in this stupid incident.
But hey...
Its all good - because 1 awesome young woman was telling people of shouting at them to stop. The fire crazed mob (and it was a mob) shouted her down and at one point I saw a big angry guy shouting at this woman as she told them to stop as she worked in the green fields or somewhere and was part of the cleanup crew that had to somehow clear it all up. He just towered over her and shouted back.
Very shameful indeed and I hope all those that felt the adrenaline kick in as they cheered with glee as people ran off to find anything to increase the size of this bonfire will please find yourself another festival that isnt about the good causes and messages that Glastonbury portrays.
If I was Michael or Emily Eavis... I'd be sat hearing about (or even seeing) that bonfire and wondering - "they dont deserve this, lets wind it all up right now".
Thank you for reading.
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not too bad, just have to wear a plastic poncho and jig about
Well said autoinflate.
16 degrees is not cold and if anyone thinks it is then try camping out in -4 or picking an enjoyment that doesnt involve anything outdoors.
A hot cider, a fun outlook, a bit of dancing and a hug from a stranger will fend off all of this 'cold' talk.
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okay... lets get things into perspective!
regardless of how the weather may change from now to Friday (and I doubt it will as things are certainly on the change unfortunately)... there are other things to consider.
Wellies and the panic about how dry you can keep your welsh oggie are all well and good, but have a think about what the techies, mixers, sounds guys and every other important member of 'crew' or 'staff' are thinking right now.
As long as the festival and all those complicated attractions and stages can keep the bands running to time and safely so - THATS what is important.
Friday looks (cover your ears) to be a raindrop peltdown... but as long as the stages, crew and bands can handle it and continue then thats something to keep in mind and respect.
'F' the weather, lets all just have a party!!!!!!!!
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Anyone got any contact details for this band please?
They are that marching kazoo band that are around Bellas Field every year.
I found a website http://www.motk.co.uk/ but it seems to be down and they don't really use their twitter either.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks.