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So deffo today?
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Last year on Thursday we saw Prima Queen in The Rabbit Hole who were one of the runners up of the emerging talent comp. I think they give all the runners up one or two sets across the weekend in slots like that. Something to look out for that will be crowded but doable. Prima Queen were really good.
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As said it can be tough getting close to anything at all popular. Last year we were just trying to pass through Shangri-La when Mike Skinner was DJing (we were part of the problem I know) and the crowd was so massive there was nowhere to move in any direction. A claustrophobic's absolute nightmare.
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The National
Masego
Otoboke Beaver
Bob Vylan
Asha Puthli
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Dua Lipa 120
Coldplay 110
Shania Twain 30
LCD Soundsystem 150
Little Simz 110
IDLES 108
The National 175 (+5)
The Streets 130
Jungle 95
Jessie Ware 80
Justice 235
Heilung 136
Masego 110 (+5)
Nia Archives 120
Jamie xx 95
James Blake 105
Sampha 105
Sleaford Mods 60
Romy 125
Fontaines D.C. 200
London Grammar 90
King Krule 90
Orbital 161
Ghetts 90
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Is there anyone of note supporting on these Euro dates?
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Dua Lipa 119
Coldplay 109
Shania Twain 82
LCD Soundsystem 141
Little Simz 100
Burna Boy 10
IDLES 126
Disclosure 60
The National 180 (+5)
The Streets 131
Two Door Cinema Club 60
Jungle 95
Jessie Ware 85
Justice 221
Heilung 141
Masego 105 (+5)
Nia Archives 120
Jamie xx 90
James Blake 105
Sampha 105
Sleaford Mods 99
Romy 125
Fontaines D.C. 190
King Krule 100
Orbital 160
Ghetts 95
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Dua Lipa 115
Coldplay 115
SZA 105
Shania Twain 100
LCD Soundsystem 105
Little Simz 100
Burna Boy 100
Idles 100
Disclosure 105
The National 110 (+10)
D-Block Europe 90
The Streets 105
Two Door Cinema Club 100
Jungle 100
Jessie Ware 100
Justice 135
Heilung 100
Masego 100
Nia Archives 100
Jamie xx 100
Gossip 100
James Blake 100
Sampha 100
Sleaford Mods 100
Romy 100
Fontaines D.C. 105
Peggy Gou 100
London Grammar 100
King Krule 100
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11 minutes ago, lazyred said:
Sadly some self styled progressives celebrated on Oct 7th and continue to justify what happened.
I'm sure they did, not here to deny any type of existing prejudice, that's can be as bad as the prejudice itself.
11 minutes ago, lazyred said:The ICJ decision in the case brought by South Africa did not find that Israel had committed genocide. As far as I can tell the apartheid accusation is from a Human Rights Watch report that is specific to the West Bank not the Israeli State. Apartheid is a loaded word. I do not believe conditions for Palestinians are the same as for Black South Africans. The actions of each side provokes the other to escalate things. We need a process that lower tensions not increases them but the Palestinians have their to play in building confidence.
Last I heard South Africa won the decision to be able to bring Israel to charges/evidence to prove genocide. Which in itself is a big win and they still plan to do. All ceremonial I'm sure cus its not like Israel will see any repercussions. Maybe you're more educated than me here but if one of the populations aren't allowed on certain streets, live under checkpoint blockade, have their rights restricted and are generally second class citizens is their a massive difference? Not out to demean black South Africans, genuine question.
11 minutes ago, lazyred said:Just untrue. There have been repeated deals offered and rejected. There have also been repeated wars against Israel.
Probably bad wording on my part, I'll apologise retract that one. Though whether any deals offered showed any benefit to Palestinians I'd be interested to know.
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4 minutes ago, Neil said:
yes, and likewise with those who wish to destroy Israel. the only solution to the Palestine problem will come from an acceptance of where things are, neither side can get what they'd like from that, apart from peace.
Of course but Hamas is never going to come within a country mile of destroying anyone, their most effective attack happened on October 7th and that's as bad as it'll ever get for Israel (obviously that's bad enough).
The people who want to destroy Palestine are doing so with a free pass from us, the Americans and a bunch of others, with Western press shaping the story exactly how they want.
And Palestinian civilians have no choice but to accept how things are already. It's Israel's that keep taking more.
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5 minutes ago, Neil said:
they've got more weapons than they've used, if the plan was to kill the maximum number possible they're missing lots of opportunities.
Don't think they're ever going to run out but it doesn't mean they're not going to carry on. Not like there's a time limit.
2 minutes ago, Neil said:they are choosing to do so.- the response to the Hamas attacks was entirely predictable, based on 60 years of conflict.
Predictable maybe but the extent and the complete middle finger to international law they constantly throw up is still shocking and disgusting.
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7 minutes ago, Neil said:
if that was the Israeli's aim, I'm sure they could do a lot better than they've been doing so far.
I'm not sure that sort of hyperbole gets anyone nearer the truth of anything.
Dunno what more evidence you need to be convinced it is their aim. Killing of tens of thousands of civilians, half of which are children, multiple mass graves, targeting hospitals, schools and places of worship, switching off water, not allowing in external food or aid, targeted bombing of aid workers including British citizens. They're investing in a future where Palestinian ability to carry on and reproduce is severely restrained.
But to come at your suggestion from the other direction, if their aim was purely to target Hamas, with the full advancement and accuracy of American and British weaponry at their disposal, do they need to be carpet bombing civilian areas or are they choosing to do so? If Hamas are in underground bunkers like they said early on I'm not sure how useful white phosphorus on ground level is at stopping them.
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5 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:
Is this like when CNN tried to claim that the protests were peaceful even when standing in front of a torched building on fire? Lol. (This is just my attempt at humour to lighten the mood, so you don't think I'm typing this with any anger or aggression).
A thousand plus people targeting one Jewish woman and holding her to account for her country defending itself against a terrorist-led militia (that still has hostages - the war would likely reach a ceasefire if they were returned), calling for an intifada or jihad against jews and Israel, chanting "death to Israel" or shouting out "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free", are terms used to call for the total destruction of Israel and aims to remove Jewish people's right to self-determination in an area they've called home for millennia. (I'm not saying there haven't been Palestinians there too, but perhaps a two-state resolution should have been accepted the many MANY times it's been offered, going back 80 years).
Another historical point for the people who liked the comment in the other thread about me thinking the problems only started since Oct 7th - the term "From the river to the sea" is a contortion from the very first Arab-Israeli war in 1948 when one of the chants of the Arabs was "to want to push all the Jews into the sea".
The "protests" are covered in antisemitism, from Malmo to London to LA. Think about it. Any time you hear "From the river to the sea", it dates back to 1948 wanting to push all Jews into the sea. If that's not antisemitic, I don't know what is.
To put it in an analogy, if a white supremacist at a rally shouted out something like "Send them to the ovens!" as a contortion of what the Nazis did, would that also be antisemitic? Of course it would be and it should be labelled as such.
No anger or aggression here either, and I'll try and address one point at a time. Starting by saying that no one is claiming that antisemitism isn't rife in the world or that it doesn't exist. And no one is defending the murder of 1500 civilians enjoying a music festival. But you can't just write off a genocide or tar people who are protesting an actual ongoing ethnic cleansing as being covered in antisemitism. It's just not true.
On the protests, I've been to 2 of them in London and they have been overwhelmingly peaceful, at their peak they reached half a million people and less than 1% of them caused any trouble. I can't speak for worldwide but from what I've read these college campus occupations have been escalated by the police, not the students. Worth noting as well there is a strong Jewish representation at a lot of demonstrations as well, including the ones I've been to, because they don't agree in genocide in their name. Are they antisemetic?
I'm sure there are some wackos who targeted one particular woman for singing an (albeit potentially targeted and tone deaf) song but you've also over simplified the actual issue most people have with Israel's inclusion in Eurovision, which (apart from them not being European) is simple - Israel has been taking part in a genocide of Palestinians since October 8th (and general apartheid and war crimes and murders for 70 years before that). If Russia aren't allowed to play anymore, Israel should have been banned a long time ago.
On the ceasefire issue, that's not actually true, Hamas have offered the hostages back on a few occasions now (some sources saying as early as 2 days after their attack), but Israel, to the fury of the families has said no. Also worth noting the IDF have actually killed Israeli hostages by "accident," presumably mistaking them for Palestinian citizens which as we know has been fair game as far as they're concerned. Israel has also turned down other offers for ceasefire brokered by countries such as Egypt. Their overall goal is clear.
A genuinely equal two-state solution has never been offered, and why would it? Israel has all the power and weapons and takes the homes of Palestinian people when it feels like it. Including now in the West Bank, where Hamas doesn't operate but for some reason has still seen hundreds of deaths of Palestinians and yet more land grabs. This quote from the NYT sums up Netanyahu's stance on the subject.
You're absolutely right, this pre dates Oct 7th by a long time. I assume the '48 war you're referring to is the Nakba, which wasn't much of a war so much as a hostile take over. A quick Google sums up what happened during that particular conflict.
Moving on to the phrase that you equate to a white supremacist chant, again without labouring it, a quick search found The Guardian's explanation of it which is;
“Between the river and the sea” is a fragment from a slogan used since the 1960s by a variety of people with a host of purposes. And it is open to an array of interpretations, from the genocidal to the democratic.
The full saying goes: “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free” – a reference to the land between the Jordan River, which borders eastern Israel, and the Mediterranean Sea to the west.
(Screengrab of that wouldn't work on that for some reason)
Sounds much more complicated than just ending of Jewish people, because it is. Language develops over time and if you listen to interviews of the people actually saying the chant today, and not the likes of Suella Braverman, it's purpose is what it says - from the river Jordan to the Med, Palestine will be free to self govern and live in dignity. The clear reason for this chant today is Palestinians do not live in any measurable freedom and haven't for many years, they have lived under constant apartheid and blockade where the IDF control their food and medicine supplies and can shoot anyone on site when they feel like it (and often do). Of course this phrase can be misused by the wrong types, but again it's less than productive to conveniently throw antisemetic at everyone who uses it for genuine activist reasons.
There is plenty of examples of real antisemitism in the world we should be tackling, calling out Israel for their constant war crimes is not one of them.
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Late to the party clearly but just been reading up on the Noname/ Jay Electronica antisemitism controversy and its put me off going to see her quite a bit. When you read the analysis of what he's referencing in his verse it's awful. And her defending of it makes her sound stupid at best and complicit at worst.
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Park would be nice
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The idea of starting the adventure a night early sounds like fun. But I’ve probably taken for granted the fact I live about 90 minutes from the site.
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35 minutes ago, internetjef said:
Killer Mike , Lankum , Sam Morton , DJ milo filling out the bill on the massive attack Bristol downs day
Where dis? Not on their site or IG
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23 minutes ago, Nduja said:
Blanco
Lord Apex
Casisdead all on Saturday Lonely Hearts. Mega.
Shame they've not booked A2 once again.Thanks for the tips. Know one Casisdead song but that's it.
Was hoping for JPEGMAFIA or MAVI but nevermind.
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16 minutes ago, leej7 said:
Looks good. So. Much. DnB. Though.
3 minutes ago, toohottoocold said:May be wrong but looks like an attempt to split the crowds further. Hardly any DnB / Jungle / Bass music on there.
Now I don't know what to believe.
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55 minutes ago, Muppetmark said:
peggy gou vs jamie xx vs jungle is something im sure they want to avoid.
True, kind of effed it in whichever direction they go in.
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On 4/26/2024 at 10:03 AM, sisco said:
Bought tickets to this on the strength of that. Will be my first APE where I consider the headliner the weak link.
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That's a loss, the 2 or 3 I went to were great.
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7 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:
I was there anyway because I'd just seen Joesef who had been awesome, but ES just came out moaning about this and that, it didn't really capture me. But it's all personal opinion, of course. Perhaps if I'd stayed longer he would've warmed up a bit.
I remember he came out moaning about the heat and told people to stop dancing cus its too hot for it. I just thought it was hilarious 🙂 We agree on Joesef though he was brilliant as well. Lonely Hearts Club is building up to be one of my fave stages as time goes on.
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I think it's worth noting that a lot of peoples afternoon/evening concerns could easily be alleviated as the line ups fill out. The only stage we can get a full handle on timings is West Holts atm.
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