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9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Reform/LD/Green coalition in 2029 push through PR...then we can be like those lucky people in Europe and their stable social democrat governments.

And we'll take twenty years to work out how to do the stable govt thing.while the electorate get frustrated at not being able to vote for a policy that happens.

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46 minutes ago, Neil said:

Tories will use the AV referendum as their defence.

 

I assume you would agree.

 

I mean you can't just keep having referendums until you get the result you want.

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1 hour ago, LJS said:

 

I assume you would agree.

 

I mean you can't just keep having referendums until you get the result you want.

gerrymandering the system to get the result you want isn't likely to work out how you hope?

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6 minutes ago, Neil said:

gerrymandering the system to get the result you want isn't likely to work out how you hope?

Couldn't agree more. 

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10 hours ago, lazyred said:

 

What principles have Labour abandoned? They are improving workers rights, nationalising railways, fixing the NHS, building houses, moving to a greener energy supply and establishing an industrial strategy  for infrastructure and new technology.

 

Labour have said no return to austerity. Public services will be reformed as well as funded. They will borrow for investment and have left themselves wriggle room to increase some taxes. In UK terms the tax burden is already high. I'd like to see it a bit higher and also see taxes simplified and made fairer but it's too unpopular to talk about.

 

The manifesto has few concrete policies but the approach is clear, stimulate growth through borrowing and use the proceeds to improve services. This is mainstream Labour somewhere between Milliband and Blair.

 

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https://www.theguardian.com/society/article/2024/jun/15/labour-and-tories-would-both-leave-nhs-worse-off-than-under-austerity-says-thinktank

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5 hours ago, LJS said:

yeah, well whoever gets in would need to find more money to throw at it, along with all the other stuff that needs more money. The problem is no one is being straight about the country's finances. Maybe Reeves or Starmer will do a televised thingy in September and say we didn't realise things were this bad, sorry we're going to stick up your income tax to sort sh*t out until we get some magic money from growth.

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Says about labour trying to not to lose left voters to Green or elsewhere, and trying not to lose tory voters on the other side...

conclusion is that Labour still might get in despite apathy on the message of change...but like Johnson in 2019 if things don't actually change then they could get punished the next time round.

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1 hour ago, Ryan1984 said:

It’s take aim at Labour day (when isn’t it?)

 

I missed this the other day: https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1801504713554170025?s=46&t=0L-HQje0RJTtiVIvA-C-dQ

 

I don’t normally go with the ‘Starmer is a Tory’ line but this is straight out of their playbook. Work first, mental health later.

well they are the Labour party.

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All parties (not just labour ) are not being completely honest about difficult things that would be necessary in power. Of course a utopia where every party was completely honest would be amazing, unfortunately you won’t find anyone volunteering to go first!

 

Most voters are not going through manifestos, they are going to make a choice on who they want in charge. Starmer will be judged (if he becomes PM) on what he does as PM and not what is in the manifesto. I think since being an MP he has shown good political judgement (particularly with the Corbyn situation and not throwing toys out of the pram like some did) but as leader you have to deal with sh*t that’s out of your control and that will be the challenge.

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6 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 


behind the paywall but I’m intrigued how that headline works out! 

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1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

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thanks…

 

as expected, nothing was the Tories fault - it was Covid and Putin what did it. 
 

and banging on about that f**king note again, while ignoring the fact that there’s 3 times more debt than back then. 
 

how do they keep getting away with using that line? 

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3 hours ago, kaosmark2 said:

If Brexit is a success about removing EU bureaucracy, why do I still have to click about cookies when I go to a new website????

cos the evil EU forced us to put it in domestic law.

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