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Getting a lift down now thankfully instead of the train. Hopefully I can get some money back. Wouldn't say the strikes would have ruined my festival but definitely would ruined the Wednesday and the preceding excitement. As someone who's never really earned more than just above minimum wage and had to deal with loads of shit and also worked through the initial lockdown, I don't have too much symphony for the workers tbh. 

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14 minutes ago, downtherabbithole said:

Getting a lift down now thankfully instead of the train. Hopefully I can get some money back. Wouldn't say the strikes would have ruined my festival but definitely would ruined the Wednesday and the preceding excitement. As someone who's never really earned more than just above minimum wage and had to deal with loads of shit and also worked through the initial lockdown, I don't have too much symphony for the workers tbh. 

What do you do ? Why shouldn’t you too have better wages ? 

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2 hours ago, kugglaw said:

How do I claim that?

Check the refunds process with wherever you bought it. Obviously wait until after your finish your trip to claim it. If you got it from a train company, it might be under something like (company name eg GWR)delay repay. For trainline and other 3rd parties, google it or have a look on the app. 

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52 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Yeah because they'll just work at home those days. If people aren't frustrated and negative about the strikes, it's because they're not actually inconveniencing them.

I wish it was that the great British public are really angry and frustrated by the strikes but know enough to be angry just at the train companies and not the staff, but I genuinely don't think that's the case.

People are frustrated and annoyed due to the inconvenience, however there is an overwhelming understanding that staff are not to blame. There is massive support for staff from what i have seen this week. 

When people see train companies this week announcing massive profits (latest i saw was a £36.2million profit for 1 company, so adding every company together you will be in the 100s of millions profits), whilst being on much lower passenger count than pre pandemic, whilst claiming they need to sack staff as they arent profitable, it opens a lot of eyes to whats really going on. 

Also it was revealed the head of my company got a £1million bonus last year...... thats 40 jobs saved right there. 

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43 minutes ago, downtherabbithole said:

Getting a lift down now thankfully instead of the train. Hopefully I can get some money back. Wouldn't say the strikes would have ruined my festival but definitely would ruined the Wednesday and the preceding excitement. As someone who's never really earned more than just above minimum wage and had to deal with loads of shit and also worked through the initial lockdown, I don't have too much symphony for the workers tbh. 

We should be trying to lift all workers rights and wages up to a better level, not dragging others down to a lower level.

I work for the railway, I earn just under 16k a year. Not sure why you all think we are all on mega bucks, because we are not.....

If your boss called you into their office tomorrow and fired you? Do you think that would be fair? Or would you fight it?

You should be able to get a full refund, depending where you bought it. 👍

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56 minutes ago, downtherabbithole said:

As someone who's never really earned more than just above minimum wage and had to deal with loads of shit and also worked through the initial lockdown, I don't have too much symphony for the workers tbh. 

What a lousy attitude.

I would have hoped that going through similar difficulties would actually engender some 'symphony', but I guess not.

I am travelling by train and although don't expect too much trouble, there may well be delays. But.... this is the point of industrial action - it doesn't actually have any effect if nobody is inconvenienced by it. 

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6 minutes ago, maelzoid said:

Sorry if this has already been shared, but useful info from GWR here:

https://www.gwr.com/strike

Castle Cary is green so 'very limited service' which is better than red.

Too add to this, GWR has said they aim to maintain all timetabled trains between Castle Cary and London Paddington throughout the course of Glastonbury Festival.

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Very recently we recieved a below inflation pay award and we were by quite a long way the lowest paid supermarket in our sector ( minimum wage ) fortunately the union stepped in and we now have a decent pay award to at least help with the mounting cost of living . So yeah total solidarity I’ve also watched our numbers dwindle over the years to redundancy and efficiency measures 

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2 hours ago, rhyscork said:

We should be trying to lift all workers rights and wages up to a better level, not dragging others down to a lower level.

I work for the railway, I earn just under 16k a year. Not sure why you all think we are all on mega bucks, because we are not.....

If your boss called you into their office tomorrow and fired you? Do you think that would be fair? Or would you fight it?

You should be able to get a full refund, depending where you bought it. 👍

I get your point but in that case the whole country should go on strike. Retail workers, nurses, teachers, railway workers, fast food workers, hospitality workers. So many industries get paid little and have to deal with a lot. What's needed is a full on revolution but this short strike specifically targeted for one of the busiest weeks of the year just bums a load of people out. I can't imagine anyone who is actually f*cked over by these strikes actually supports them. Because living on minimum wage is so terrible now (nowadays earning less than £10 an hour in this country is basically living in poverty) it means people who live on that wage look forward to something like Glastonbury like a light in the darkness. Then this strike comes along and messes everything up for a load of people. At the very least they could have chosen another week. Someone not being able to get to work is not the same as getting to a festival people have been dying to go to for the last two or three years. I feel like there is a lot of middle-class elitism in this thread. People who want to be virtuous but not actually affected by the issue at hand. And even if they were, they can afford an alternative which others can't.

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2 hours ago, rhyscork said:

If your boss called you into their office tomorrow and fired you? Do you think that would be fair? Or would you fight it?

Honestly, what I think a lot of railworkers aren't getting, is that this has happened to *so* many people over the last two years. Two-thirds of the world's economy shut down, loads of people lost their jobs, even more lost job security for a long time as companies went through the redundancy consultation process (which, is what would happen with the rail industry, you're not just going to get pulling into an office and fired, but you well know that).

I'm not against you, or the unions, good for them and you for fighting the best you can with the tools you have. But comments like that really won't win you public sympathy, if anything it just highlights the fact you've been one of the few groups with job security the past two years. I'm not singling you out either, a similar line has been the main talking point pushed by the unions, and it's really falling on unsympathetic ears from a public of which a good 30-50% have had to deal with that recently. 

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16 minutes ago, downtherabbithole said:

What's needed is a full on revolution but this short strike specifically targeted for one of the busiest weeks of the year just bums a load of people out.

I think it's actually targeted at one of the quieter weeks. Glastonbury is a big thing for us but a drop in the ocean for rail travel as a whole. It's annoying it's worked out that way but this wasn't targeted at Glastonbury. A July strike once the kids are off school would be much more disruptive. 

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4 minutes ago, downtherabbithole said:

I get your point but in that case the whole country should go on strike. Retail workers, nurses, teachers, railway workers, fast food workers, hospitality workers. So many industries get paid little and have to deal with a lot. What's needed is a full on revolution but this short strike specifically targeted for one of the busiest weeks of the year just bums a load of people out. I can't imagine anyone who is actually f*cked over by these strikes actually supports them. Because living on minimum wage is so terrible now (nowadays earning less than £10 an hour in this country is basically leaving in poverty) it means people who live on that wage look forward to something like Glastonbury like a light in the darkness. Then this strike comes along and messes everything up for a load of people. At the very least they could have chosen another week. Someone not being able to get to work is not the same as getting to a festival people have been dying to go to for the last two or three years. I feel like there is a lot of middle-class elitism in this thread. People who want to be virtuous but not actually affected by the issue at hand. And even if they were, they can afford an alternative which others can't.

No, workers shouldn't HAVE to go on strike to get protections, rights etc, they should just be given as a matter of course! People shouldn't have to strike to not get sacked while businesses make millions/ billions in profits. Workers shouldn't have to strike to get an inflation based wage rise. Workers shouldn't have to strike to be treated fairly in every level of a company from top to bottom. This isn't just the railway, this applies to all jobs! Also, Teachers, Nurses, Docs etc have all already been on strike for similar reasons to the railway.

Strikes are the last resort, and absolutely horrible. But again, the train companies have been training managers in dispatching/ working trains and  preparing for strikes since February, when they could have been trying to stop them, they didn't. 

They have been negotiating with the unions for pure PR this week, without going into details, all that offered was a real time wage cut for a lot of staff (offered Thursday), on the condition of compulsory redundancies. That is no joke and you didn't read that wrong.

All they had to do was guarantee no compulsory redundancies, while negotiating other factors and the strikes would have been pushed back. They didn't.

Lets get rid of this myth that next week is a busy week on the railway, it isn't. It is no busier than an average summer week. The week of strikes, outside of Jan/ Feb, is one of the quietest, not busiest as people seem to think, weeks it could have been held. 8500 go to Castle Cary station by train in the week (not day, week) of Glastonbury. That is around the same number of extra passengers Bath Spa railway station does for a Bath rugby home match in 1 day. There is no football on, no rugby, outside of cricket i believe, there are no massive sporting events. There are very little to no festivals going on out side of Glastonbury (Glastonbury takes all the equipment so most other festivals cant run at the same time). If The strikes were a few weeks later or earlier, they would have caused a much larger disruption. We all think this is a major busy week for the railway because Glastonbury is on, the reality is it isn't. 

Middle class elitism? We are comparing people loosing their jobs, loosing all their income, loosing their livelihood, to people taking a few hours longer to get to a music festival?? I LOVE Glastonbury, it is my favourite place on this planet, but its not more important than peoples lives. With all due respect to you, the only middle class elitism are from the people who would happily let 1000s of people loose their jobs so they could get to a music festival a few hours quicker....

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What you all seem to be missing is that nobody else at all, anywhere, has a guarantee of no compulsory redundancies, so why do government funded railway workers need it? 
 

I get the profit and bonus thing, it’s bad, but TOC’s are private businesses, albeit government subsidised. So expecting them to give up everything profit wise is unrealistic and not based in reality.

Before you all jump on, I also work in the rail industry, I see just how inefficient it is in places (granted there are some people that work very hard). I firmly believe it needs to change to be viable long term.  
 

I very much do not support the strike.

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31 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Honestly, what I think a lot of railworkers aren't getting, is that this has happened to *so* many people over the last two years. Two-thirds of the world's economy shut down, loads of people lost their jobs, even more lost job security for a long time as companies went through the redundancy consultation process (which, is what would happen with the rail industry, you're not just going to get pulling into an office and fired, but you well know that).

I'm not against you, or the unions, good for them and you for fighting the best you can with the tools you have. But comments like that really won't win you public sympathy, if anything it just highlights the fact you've been one of the few groups with job security the past two years. I'm not singling you out either, a similar line has been the main talking point pushed by the unions, and it's really falling on unsympathetic ears from a public of which a good 30-50% have had to deal with that recently. 

The comment wasn't meant to be insulting or anything, so I apologise to anyone who found it so. It was more meant along the lines of, "if you think its not fair if that happened to you, why would it be ok to happen to others."

We do get it, the worlds been messed up, we have been lucky to have job security, I do get that. What i don't get is how people can be ok with paying the insane prices they pay for a train, these companies making 10s of millions upon 10s millions in profits. Bosses being paid out Millions in bonuses. Shareholders getting paid out close to £ a billion. AND then staff being sacked as they dont make enough money? That stinks. 

Voluntary redundancies have been a major thing on the railway throughout the pandemic, 100s - 1000s of jobs have already gone, the thought that the rail industry has been completely protected from redundancies is incorrect. 

"(which, is what would happen with the rail industry, you're not just going to get pulling into an office and fired, but you well know that)". Not enterally sure what you're getting at hear to be honest (sorry, its been a long day!), but if its implying that workers arent getting sacked, then its incorrect. 2500 network rail staff, 600 TFL staff, and ticket office and platform staff throughout the network are under direct threat. The offer on Thursday to the Unions was a wage rise (real time wage cut) with the condition of compulsory redundancies, among other things. If i've got that wrong and you mean we wouldnt just get sacked, then im sure the P&O staff (also rmt) say hi. 

I wish every working person could be able to be in a position to fight for their rights as a worker, we are lucky that we are in that position. With any luck, when the RMT, TSSA, ASLEF win, it will open the doors to other workers from every job to get what they deserve. 

Cider bus Cider? 👍🍺

  

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Just now, Rose-Colored Boy said:

Latest offer from this bastard government is a 2% pay rise and no mention of banning compulsory redundancies. Unsurprisingly this has been rejected out of hand and rightly so. 

It was 2%, moving to a 7 day working week (so cutting out sunday O/T, meaning a real time wage cut)

Also had condition attached that basically meant loads of jobs would be lost.

Pure PR so they can say they offered something.

TSSA and ASLEF getting involved too now by the looks of things

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1 hour ago, downtherabbithole said:

I get your point but in that case the whole country should go on strike. Retail workers, nurses, teachers, railway workers, fast food workers, hospitality workers. So many industries get paid little and have to deal with a lot. What's needed is a full on revolution but this short strike specifically targeted for one of the busiest weeks of the year just bums a load of people out. I can't imagine anyone who is actually f*cked over by these strikes actually supports them. Because living on minimum wage is so terrible now (nowadays earning less than £10 an hour in this country is basically living in poverty) it means people who live on that wage look forward to something like Glastonbury like a light in the darkness. Then this strike comes along and messes everything up for a load of people. At the very least they could have chosen another week. Someone not being able to get to work is not the same as getting to a festival people have been dying to go to for the last two or three years. I feel like there is a lot of middle-class elitism in this thread. People who want to be virtuous but not actually affected by the issue at hand. And even if they were, they can afford an alternative which others can't.

You are inconvenienced as its Glastonbury week. There will always be someone inconvenienced for fantastic reasons. Weddings/ holidays/ visiting ill relatives / one off concert etc. It is shite but its done to get the message out not to specifically inconvenience you.

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2 minutes ago, Rose-Colored Boy said:

Latest offer from this bastard government is a 2% pay rise and no mention of banning compulsory redundancies. Unsurprisingly this has been rejected out of hand and rightly so. 

You mean to say a real terms pay cut of 8%, and no guarantee of any pay at all going forward isn't an attractive proposition?! 🙈

They're deluded! Taking taxpayer money whilst forcing people out of jobs absolutely stinks. 

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2 minutes ago, theciderviking said:

You mean to say a real terms pay cut of 8%, and no guarantee of any pay at all going forward isn't an attractive proposition?! 🙈

They're deluded! Taking taxpayer money whilst forcing people out of jobs absolutely stinks. 

Quite!!!!

At least they’re ‘still talking’ but the latest theory doing the rounds is that the government actually wants this strike to go ahead to try and look ‘strong’ ahead of the by-elections next week. Which says it all about where their priorities lie. 

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I'd like to say that sounds ludicrous. But, at a time when the Government have put satirists out of business, I can fully imagine that conversation taking place in the cabinet room. 

What a mess. If they win those by-elections then I really will give up, because this makes turkeys voting for Christmas look sensible by comparison. 

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The sooner they make trains automated and guard free the better to be honest. Having to have a human open and close the doors at platforms is ridiculous in 2022 imo. I've taken trains to work the majority of my adult life and the staff are dreadful in most cases.

*Quick edit - Having a high percentage of lines and stops still basically the same as the Victorian era does not help I realise.

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