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43 minutes ago, SGS said:

there are several cohorts of stewards. there are the volunteers that raise money for the local charities and schools. - about 1000. of which The Park has about 300 and Silver Hayes has about 275  and then the rest split between the other areas.

Oxfam have a cohort as you say about 2000 but they have always had separate camping organised. I am not sure but imagine that Greenpeace and Wateraid also have some and a similar set up. Some of the people who live  really local will just go home and come in every day, others like me will come in on Saturday and stay and the balance will all be onsite by early evening Tuesday. 

WaterAid shared Tom's Field with recycling crew in 2019

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One staff camping area for people whose work locations are across the whole site is always going to be somewhat of a lottery isn't it. I've been doing it with Shelter since 2014 and our staff camping is just outside gate C, which is a trek if you get put on the Stonebridge, but really easy for the Cockmill or West Holts bar.

 

I guess where it is a bit different is for groups who know they'll be working in a certain location/area, and being put a long way away from that would definitely suck

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1 hour ago, Havors said:

If they had staff shuttle buses it wouldnt be a problem.

The challenge is the sheer number of stewards turning over I guess. Oxfam alone would be about 800 gross (400 coming on, 400 off). You could restrict it to the furthest shifts only to reduce that number. 

Even doing that it would take multiple trips as I doubt you'd get a big double decker on the trackway round the fence. So depending how long a round trip took you'd need multiple buses. 

Not impossible to sort but a traffic addition they could do without.  Maybe one that's necessary if they want to open steward campsites to the public?

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2 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

The challenge is the sheer number of stewards turning over I guess. Oxfam alone would be about 800 gross (400 coming on, 400 off). You could restrict it to the furthest shifts only to reduce that number. 

Even doing that it would take multiple trips as I doubt you'd get a big double decker on the trackway round the fence. So depending how long a round trip took you'd need multiple buses. 

Not impossible to sort but a traffic addition they could do without.  Maybe one that's necessary if they want to open steward campsites to the public?

I personally think that there is a difference between locals doing stewarding to raise money for a charity and Oxfam volunteers who are there primarily for a ticket ( I knew it’s not all of them). 
Oxfam have always been in Oxfield and so there is no change and do not need shuttles. 
 

The local group volunteers are often doing it just to raise money for their charity and have had that made far less appealing so should have a shuttle. 
 

I write this as an outsider who doesn’t volunteer for either and still has a good camping spot. 

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2 minutes ago, tarw said:

I personally think that there is a difference between locals doing stewarding to raise money for a charity and Oxfam volunteers who are there primarily for a ticket ( I knew it’s not all of them). 
Oxfam have always been in Oxfield and so there is no change and do not need shuttles. 
 

The local group volunteers are often doing it just to raise money for their charity and have had that made far less appealing so should have a shuttle. 
 

I write this as an outsider who doesn’t volunteer for either and still has a good camping spot. 

There's still 1,000 of them apparently so you've got the same logistics issues in terms of providing transport. 

I'm not sure if local volunteers do overnight shifts (or even what their actual volunteering role is?)if they don't then there's possibly an even harder logistics challenge than what I described for Oxfam as there's less shifts. 

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2 minutes ago, tarw said:

I personally think that there is a difference between locals doing stewarding to raise money for a charity and Oxfam volunteers who are there primarily for a ticket ( I knew it’s not all of them). 
Oxfam have always been in Oxfield and so there is no change and do not need shuttles. 
 

The local group volunteers are often doing it just to raise money for their charity and have had that made far less appealing so should have a shuttle. 
 

I write this as an outsider who doesn’t volunteer for either and still has a good camping spot. 

Problem is that while Oxfam/Festaff are all at or pretty damn close to the gates and so can be (relatively) easily reached by road*, the local community groups are onsite, and so traffic movement becomes a hundred times more complicated. The group handling the Avalon field for example, it may be the case that the closest a shuttle can easily get is Gate C.

* except the ones at WV

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2 minutes ago, giantkatestacks said:

Not always as they were in Tom's Field before they moved to the Oxfield but yes @tarw

And said Oxfam field is in I believe it's 3rd distinct location outside the fence, being pushed further away each time.

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1 minute ago, incident said:

Problem is that while Oxfam/Festaff are all at or pretty damn close to the gates and so can be (relatively) easily reached by road*, the local community groups are onsite, and so traffic movement becomes a hundred times more complicated. The group handling the Avalon field for example, it may be the case that the closest a shuttle can easily get is Gate C.

* except the ones at WV

Oh yeah, I'd assumed travel within the site was impossible unless you were the poo truck or an ambulance.

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1 minute ago, Leyrulion said:

Oh yeah, I'd assumed travel within the site was impossible unless you were the poo truck or an ambulance.

Not impossible, but there's a series of rules that vary based various factors including type of vehicle, route and time. For example in some cases even when a vehicle is permitted, it needs to travel at walking speed and have a Marshall walking in front as an escort.

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5 minutes ago, incident said:

Not impossible, but there's a series of rules that vary based various factors including type of vehicle, route and time. For example in some cases even when a vehicle is permitted, it needs to travel at walking speed and have a Marshall walking in front as an escort.

Which would render any shuttle a bit pointless. 

I guess they could do something which had 1 drop off point in the interstage compound. That might be more possible and appease.

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38 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

There's still 1,000 of them apparently so you've got the same logistics issues in terms of providing transport. 

I'm not sure if local volunteers do overnight shifts (or even what their actual volunteering role is?)if they don't then there's possibly an even harder logistics challenge than what I described for Oxfam as there's less shifts. 

Locals do overnight 12 hour shifts!! 

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38 minutes ago, incident said:

Not impossible, but there's a series of rules that vary based various factors including type of vehicle, route and time. For example in some cases even when a vehicle is permitted, it needs to travel at walking speed and have a Marshall walking in front as an escort.

 

29 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

Which would render any shuttle a bit pointless. 

I guess they could do something which had 1 drop off point in the interstage compound. That might be more possible and appease.

What about round the outside of the fence? 

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27 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

Which would render any shuttle a bit pointless. 

I guess they could do something which had 1 drop off point in the interstage compound. That might be more possible and appease.

They could drop off at each vehicle gate couldn’t they?  Use the perimeter track and that would cut down the walk. And make it easier. 

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I saw the car park map was published recently. Is the festival map generally made available shortly after that and therefore this is an indication it's imminent?

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12 hours ago, Leyrulion said:

There's still 1,000 of them apparently so you've got the same logistics issues in terms of providing transport. 

I'm not sure if local volunteers do overnight shifts (or even what their actual volunteering role is?)if they don't then there's possibly an even harder logistics challenge than what I described for Oxfam as there's less shifts. 

some of the volunteers do 6 four hour shifts and some do 3 eight hour shifts. I see somewhere that someone said that the local charity volunteers do 12 hour shifts but none where I am do. And yes all of them do overnight shifts. An example of one person I know their shift pattern is this Thursday 0000 - Thursday 0800, Friday 0800 - 1600, Saturday1600 - 0000

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8 hours ago, TASHMA BWABWE said:

I saw the car park map was published recently. Is the festival map generally made available shortly after that and therefore this is an indication it's imminent?

It wasn’t so much published but became available within the planning information. I don’t think there is much correlation in the sense that the festival will make the map available to us when they want to. One thing we can say which is obvious is that with only 50 ish days to go we should get it relatively imminently as a matter of course.

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The most logical solutions would be to ensure staff access routes through the festival i.e. walkways only staff can access to cut through the festival where possible and not have to walk miles out of the way to get around. 

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1 minute ago, Havors said:

The most logical solutions would be to ensure staff access routes through the festival i.e. walkways only staff can access to cut through the festival where possible and not have to walk miles out of the way to get around. 

There are, in some locations. But that doesn't really solve the issue, more mitigates it very slightly.

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7 minutes ago, incident said:

There are, in some locations. But that doesn't really solve the issue, more mitigates it very slightly.

More locations, less walking. Problem solved? 😄 It's a festival and everyone needs to be prepared to have to walk quite a bit, just mitigating the length of the walks pre and post shifts would make a world of difference. I dont think its practical or expected to have everyone shuttled around door to door. 

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14 hours ago, tarw said:

They could drop off at each vehicle gate couldn’t they?  Use the perimeter track and that would cut down the walk. And make it easier. 

The perimeter track isn't suitable for anything much larger than a landrover in places.  And you're not really supposed to use it unless you are security.

I've driven for Oxfam, and we do try to get as many people as possible a lift to the really far places (Pennards, Worthy View, what was West Campers) - with typical traffic it can take nearly half an hour to get to those, and during the show there is no way that you would (or be allowed) to drive across the site, instead you have to use the various roads around the edge of the site, both inside and out.

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Just now, Havors said:

More locations, less walking. Problem solved? 😄 It's a festival and everyone needs to be prepared to have to walk quite a bit, just mitigating the length of the walks pre and post shifts would make a world of difference. I dont think its practical or expected to have everyone shuttled around door to door. 

Equally, I don't think it's reasonable to expect volunteer staff (specifically thinking of those who aren't primarily there for the free ticket but instead to support their kids after school club) to have to walk over an hour to or from shift locations even with shortcuts.

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On 4/27/2022 at 11:01 AM, northernringo said:

Hi Carl

I literally just got this joke today, in the shower. I've been wondering why the fuck you were calling me Carl. I had even seen the Carl Cox/Arcadia nonsense happen as it unfolded, I had all the information I needed at the time. Joke was simply not found in my brain. Today, though, it finally clicked into place. I had to tell you, as it was a good joke and I do (now) appreciate it.

 

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17 minutes ago, jefwefwef said:

I literally just got this joke today, in the shower. I've been wondering why the fuck you were calling me Carl. I had even seen the Carl Cox/Arcadia nonsense happen as it unfolded, I had all the information I needed at the time. Joke was simply not found in my brain. Today, though, it finally clicked into place. I had to tell you, as it was a good joke and I do (now) appreciate it.

 

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wait till you go to his stand up show...

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