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10 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

Do you end up leaving glastonbury with the sudden realisation you have not eaten anything due to making a choice.

I have done this in my younger days but because I hung out with a few folk with big bags of speed, although I am sure I would have eaten just not very much

I'm usually terrified of making a bad choice... so I make none.

Had the idea last time of photographing stalls I liked the look of so I could go back to them when I was round that way.

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39 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said:

I'm usually terrified of making a bad choice... so I make none.

Had the idea last time of photographing stalls I liked the look of so I could go back to them when I was round that way.

Oh I am  know for my research into the various choices, of most things, to the point of annoyance. There is too much choice today.

I am getting better and gen eral find it does not matter too much with most things.

I am better at the food at Glastonbury though and now delve in without issue, most everything is great so not too much of a problem. It can depend on queues though. Big queue, not a chance this time around

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1 hour ago, Hugh Jass said:

I'm usually terrified of making a bad choice... so I make none.

Had the idea last time of photographing stalls I liked the look of so I could go back to them when I was round that way.

There are times in life when I exercise restraint, and Glastonbury isn't one of them. If I see something I fancy (generally a newer one rather than old well known favourites) I'll grab it and find space.

One of the guys I saw SRC with last week that I normally do Glastonbury with said it was weird to be watching a band with me and for me not to have food on the go.

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17 hours ago, Hugh Jass said:

Got about 500 albums in my library.

Probably listen to about 50 regularly, probably never listened to at least half of my library.

Yep I have lots of vinyl that is still in the plastic wrapping but I have bought most of my collection in the last 2 years (it's where my gig ticket money has gone!) and with work being busy, recovering dogs in playpens taking up most of my living space etc I just don't get time to listen to the vinyl versions (I have streamed all of them extensively) I buy my vinyl mainly to support the artists anyway. 

Food at Glastonbury though mate you just need to bite the bullet (or preferably something more tasty than a bullet) If you are unsure, just buy some of the smaller side dishes from more places but it's too good to be missing although I get what you mean about agony of choice. As a vegetarian of over 30 years I can find myself deeply conflicted when I have menus with more than 2 options. 

 

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51 minutes ago, gigpusher said:

As a vegetarian of over 30 years I can find myself deeply conflicted when I have menus with more than 2 options. 

Oh dear god this.

I'm simultaneously stuck between being a rabbit in the headlights and wanting to get up and hug the chef.

Where I live there are still country pubs that have *no* veggie options and the rest you have to make do with sodding mushroom risotto.

 

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20 minutes ago, Kurosagi said:

Oh dear god this.

I'm simultaneously stuck between being a rabbit in the headlights and wanting to get up and hug the chef.

Where I live there are still country pubs that have *no* veggie options and the rest you have to make do with sodding mushroom risotto.

 

Or the most god awful vegetarian lasagnes!! Things have come on a long way since I became vegetarian but yes when I go places where I can have anything it can feel a bit like too much choice. I remember going to hotels in the 90's that had no veggie option and wanted to charge me the same money for a 3 egg omelette or a stir fry (the only options that they could come up with) as they were charging other people for steaks. 

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15 minutes ago, gigpusher said:

and wanted to charge me the same money for a 3 egg omelette or a stir fry (the only options that they could come up with) as they were charging other people for steaks

Yep, had similar experiences back then too! I once asked a pub which had no veggie food on the menu if they could knock up an omelette and the barmaid came back to say that they couldn't do it because chef didn't know how to make one. Bit of a low point...why would you admit to that?!

The sheer variety of veggie options at Glasto is stunning and I could murder a Manic Organic curry for lunch now that I'm thinking about it, I need to get their mango chutney recipe...what extra ingredient is it that makes it so stunning?!

(Oh, and to keep it on topic, 31/200 for me. Clearly I'm not as much of a Pitchfork consumer as I thought I was.)

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2 hours ago, gigpusher said:

 

Food at Glastonbury though mate you just need to bite the bullet (or preferably something more tasty than a bullet) If you are unsure, just buy some of the smaller side dishes from more places but it's too good to be missing although I get what you mean about agony of choice. As a vegetarian of over 30 years I can find myself deeply conflicted when I have menus with more than 2 options. 

 

I only tend to eat a couple of meals a day at GF. So picking from everything that's available is always a big deal, don't want to waste a meal and money on something rubbish when there could be something amazing around the corner.

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1 hour ago, Hugh Jass said:

I only tend to eat a couple of meals a day at GF. So picking from everything that's available is always a big deal, don't want to waste a meal and money on something rubbish when there could be something amazing around the corner.

I'm one of those sad spreadsheet types and I love spending the weeks before the festival creating a clashfinder once the lineup's been confirmed. So I usually turn up with a clear plan of what bands I'm running around the site to see and so over the years I've built up some preferred go-to stalls depending on where I am:

- Manic Organic if I'm West Holts, Glade or Green Fields area

- Thali if I'm up at Park

- Happy Maki if I'm at Williams Green/Acoustic etc.

- John Peel/Dance field I find problematic but happy to pick up a pasty near the Bandstand along the way to keep me going.

Later on I always try to grab a fried egg bap if passing near Croissant Neuf tent before it closes, best £1.50 you can spend when needing to plug a hunger hole in a rush.

But yeah, I'm never one to hang around a stall if the queues are long...fuck food, onto the next gig!

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I quite often dive into this website:

https://www.besteveralbums.com

It's nothing if not democratic. Just looking at what they have ranked highly for the last 25 years, it is very similar to the pitchfork list, with the major omissions being the massive uncool acts (Muse, Coldplay, Killers).

I remain convinced that Radiohead do well in these lists because Radiohead fans are inclined to vote in them so much. Either that are they really are the greatest band of the last 25 years...

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Best Ever Albums top 200 albums from 1996 to present

1 OK Computer Radiohead
5 Kid A Radiohead
7 In Rainbows Radiohead
13 Funeral Arcade Fire
15 In The Aeroplane Over The Sea Neutral Milk Hotel
22 To Pimp A Butterfly Kendrick Lamar
23 Is This It The Strokes
32 My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Kanye West
38 Good Kid, M.A.A.D City Kendrick Lamar
44 The Suburbs Arcade Fire
45 Illinois Sufjan Stevens
48 Yankee Hotel Foxtrot Wilco
52 Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not Arctic Monkeys
64 Ãgætis Byrjun Sigur Rós
66 Lonerism Tame Impala
75 Carrie & Lowell Sufjan Stevens
82 A Moon Shaped Pool Radiohead
84 Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven Godspeed You! Black Emperor
85 Turn On The Bright Lights Interpol
86 Madvillainy Madvillain
90 Sound Of Silver LCD Soundsystem
91 A Rush Of Blood To The Head Coldplay
93 Pinkerton Weezer
95 For Emma, Forever Ago Bon Iver
99 Homogenic Björk
104 Elephant The White Stripes
105 The Soft Bulletin The Flaming Lips
106 Blonde Frank Ocean
111 Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots The Flaming Lips
115 Merriweather Post Pavilion Animal Collective
117 If You're Feeling Sinister Belle And Sebastian
119 Demon Days Gorillaz
120 Amnesiac Radiohead
122 Modern Vampires Of The City Vampire Weekend
127 High Violet The National
131 Songs For The Deaf Queens Of The Stone Age
132 ★ (Blackstar) David Bowie
133 Fleet Foxes Fleet Foxes
136 The Moon & Antarctica Modest Mouse
137 Either/Or Elliott Smith
138 Discovery Daft Punk
139 Boxer The National
140 Endtroducing..... DJ Shadow
141 Teen Dream Beach House
143 Neon Bible Arcade Fire
152 Mezzanine Massive Attack
153 American Idiot Green Day
156 Channel Orange Frank Ocean
158 Currents Tame Impala
162 Lost In The Dream The War On Drugs
164 Helplessness Blues Fleet Foxes
166 Hail To The Thief Radiohead
169 Bon Iver Bon Iver
172 Since I Left You The Avalanches
175 The Lonesome Crowded West Modest Mouse
176 The College Dropout Kanye West
177 Absolution Muse
179 Lateralus Tool
182 The Glow Pt. 2 The Microphones
184 Ys Joanna Newsom
185 Origin Of Symmetry Muse
186 This Is Happening LCD Soundsystem
188 Hot Fuss The Killers (US)
191 Yeezus Kanye West
198 AM Arctic Monkeys
199 Bloom Beach House
200 Reflektor Arcade Fire
203 Vespertine Björk
205 ...Like Clockwork Queens Of The Stone Age
209 Teens Of Denial Car Seat Headrest
210 The Money Store Death Grips
211 Parachutes Coldplay
216 Californication Red Hot Chili Peppers
219 Vampire Weekend Vampire Weekend
220 An Awesome Wave alt-J
222 Random Access Memories Daft Punk
227 Back To Black Amy Winehouse
228 Ladies And Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space Spiritualized
235 Odelay Beck
236 Hospice The Antlers
239 Ænima Tool
240 Plastic Beach Gorillaz
241 Black Holes And Revelations Muse
243 F♯A♯∞ Godspeed You! Black Emperor
245 Favourite Worst Nightmare Arctic Monkeys
248 Moon Safari Air (FR)
251 Late Registration Kanye West
253 Halcyon Digest Deerhunter
256 To Be Kind Swans
262 The Marshall Mathers LP Eminem
269 You Forgot It In People Broken Social Scene
270 The Smile Sessions The Beach Boys
272 Oracular Spectacular MGMT
273 Room On Fire The Strokes
274 Viva La Vida Or Death And All His Friends Coldplay
280 Aquemini OutKast
281 I Love You, Honeybear Father John Misty
283 Urban Hymns The Verve
291 Trouble Will Find Me The National
294 Damn. Kendrick Lamar
295 xx The xx
297 Perfect From Now On Built To Spill
298 Music Has The Right To Children Boards Of Canada
301 Let England Shake PJ Harvey
304 White Blood Cells The White Stripes
310 Toxicity System Of A Down
314 Atrocity Exhibition Danny Brown
315 Brothers The Black Keys
317 Twin Fantasy (Face To Face) Car Seat Headrest
319 The Age Of Adz Sufjan Stevens
321 Sea Change Beck
326 Igor Tyler, The Creator
327 The Idler Wheel Is Wiser Than The Driver Of The Screw And Whipping Cords Will Serve You More Than Ropes Will Ever Do Fiona Apple
328 98.12.28 ç”·é”ã®åˆ¥ã‚Œ [98.12.28 Otokotachi No Wakare] フィッシュマンズ [Fishmans]
331 Strawberry Jam Animal Collective
333 Untrue Burial
335 Long Season フィッシュマンズ [Fishmans]
336 Melodrama Lorde
337 Chutes Too Narrow The Shins
340 The King Of Limbs Radiohead
345 The Black Parade My Chemical Romance
346 The Colour And The Shape Foo Fighters
348 Silent Alarm Bloc Party
349 Innerspeaker Tame Impala
351 Third Portishead
352 Benji Sun Kil Moon
353 13 Blur
355 The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me Brand New
357 Norman Fucking Rockwell! Lana Del Rey
358 Takk... Sigur Rós
362 Emergency & I The Dismemberment Plan
363 Good News For People Who Love Bad News Modest Mouse
366 Veckatimest Grizzly Bear
367 El Camino The Black Keys
368 Flower Boy Tyler, The Creator
370 Transatlanticism Death Cab For Cutie
371 Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea PJ Harvey
373 Titanic Rising Weyes Blood
376 ( ) Sigur Rós
377 Have One On Me Joanna Newsom
382 Stankonia OutKast
383 The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill Lauryn Hill
384 The Boatman's Call Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
386 Run The Jewels 2 Run The Jewels
388 Kids See Ghosts Kids See Ghosts
392 Person Pitch Panda Bear
393 Contra Vampire Weekend
399 Alligator The National
400 Deathconsciousness Have A Nice Life
401 I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning Bright Eyes
404 Soundtracks For The Blind Swans
405 Franz Ferdinand Franz Ferdinand
406 69 Love Songs The Magnetic Fields
409 Give Up The Postal Service
410 Born To Die Lana Del Rey
416 22, A Million Bon Iver
417 By The Way Red Hot Chili Peppers
418 The Life Of Pablo Kanye West
419 Art Angels Grimes
421 Graduation Kanye West
423 Skeleton Tree Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
428 American Football American Football
430 Summerteeth Wilco
432 Fear Of A Blank Planet Porcupine Tree
435 Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix Phoenix (FR)
437 Donuts J Dilla
439 A Deeper Understanding The War On Drugs
440 The Seer Swans
442 I Can Hear The Heart Beating As One Yo La Tengo
445 Keep It Like A Secret Built To Spill
446 Salad Days Mac DeMarco
452 X&Y Coldplay
456 Play Moby
457 The Mollusk Ween
458 St. Vincent St. Vincent
459 Kaputt Destroyer
463 Feels Animal Collective
466 The ArchAndroid Janelle Monáe
470 Hissing Fauna, Are You The Destroyer? of Montreal
472 XO Elliott Smith
475 Sometimes I Sit And Think, And Sometimes I Just Sit Courtney Barnett
477 Antics Interpol
482 De-Loused In The Comatorium The Mars Volta
485 Relationship Of Command At The Drive-In
487 In Absentia Porcupine Tree
488 Sunbather Deafheaven
489 Hurry Up, We're Dreaming M83
497 Black Messiah D'Angelo And The Vanguard
502 21 Adele
511 The Blueprint Jay-Z
514 The Seldom Seen Kid Elbow
515 The Fat Of The Land The Prodigy
516 White Pony Deftones
517 Wasting Light Foo Fighters
520 Lemonade Beyoncé
521 Stadium Arcadium Red Hot Chili Peppers
522 E•MO•TION Carly Rae Jepsen
526 When The Pawn... Fiona Apple
531 Up The Bracket The Libertines
533 Oh, Inverted World

The Shin

Those numbers show the all-time ranking.

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15 minutes ago, maelzoid said:

Best Ever Albums top 200 albums from 1996 to present

1 OK Computer Radiohead
5 Kid A Radiohead
7 In Rainbows Radiohead
13 Funeral Arcade Fire
15 In The Aeroplane Over The Sea Neutral Milk Hotel
22 To Pimp A Butterfly Kendrick Lamar
23 Is This It The Strokes
32 My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy Kanye West
38 Good Kid, M.A.A.D City Kendrick Lamar
44 The Suburbs Arcade Fire
45 Illinois Sufjan Stevens
48 Yankee Hotel Foxtrot Wilco
52 Whatever People Say I Am, That's What I'm Not Arctic Monkeys
64 Ãgætis Byrjun Sigur Rós
66 Lonerism Tame Impala
75 Carrie & Lowell Sufjan Stevens
82 A Moon Shaped Pool Radiohead
84 Lift Yr. Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven Godspeed You! Black Emperor
85 Turn On The Bright Lights Interpol
86 Madvillainy Madvillain
90 Sound Of Silver LCD Soundsystem
91 A Rush Of Blood To The Head Coldplay
93 Pinkerton Weezer
95 For Emma, Forever Ago Bon Iver
99 Homogenic Björk
104 Elephant The White Stripes
105 The Soft Bulletin The Flaming Lips
106 Blonde Frank Ocean
111 Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots The Flaming Lips
115 Merriweather Post Pavilion Animal Collective
117 If You're Feeling Sinister Belle And Sebastian
119 Demon Days Gorillaz
120 Amnesiac Radiohead
122 Modern Vampires Of The City Vampire Weekend
127 High Violet The National
131 Songs For The Deaf Queens Of The Stone Age
132 ★ (Blackstar) David Bowie
133 Fleet Foxes Fleet Foxes
136 The Moon & Antarctica Modest Mouse
137 Either/Or Elliott Smith
138 Discovery Daft Punk
139 Boxer The National
140 Endtroducing..... DJ Shadow
141 Teen Dream Beach House
143 Neon Bible Arcade Fire
152 Mezzanine Massive Attack
153 American Idiot Green Day
156 Channel Orange Frank Ocean
158 Currents Tame Impala
162 Lost In The Dream The War On Drugs
164 Helplessness Blues Fleet Foxes
166 Hail To The Thief Radiohead
169 Bon Iver Bon Iver
172 Since I Left You The Avalanches
175 The Lonesome Crowded West Modest Mouse
176 The College Dropout Kanye West
177 Absolution Muse
179 Lateralus Tool
182 The Glow Pt. 2 The Microphones
184 Ys Joanna Newsom
185 Origin Of Symmetry Muse
186 This Is Happening LCD Soundsystem
188 Hot Fuss The Killers (US)
191 Yeezus Kanye West
198 AM Arctic Monkeys
199 Bloom Beach House
200 Reflektor Arcade Fire
203 Vespertine Björk
205 ...Like Clockwork Queens Of The Stone Age
209 Teens Of Denial Car Seat Headrest
210 The Money Store Death Grips
211 Parachutes Coldplay
216 Californication Red Hot Chili Peppers
219 Vampire Weekend Vampire Weekend
220 An Awesome Wave alt-J
222 Random Access Memories Daft Punk
227 Back To Black Amy Winehouse
228 Ladies And Gentlemen We Are Floating In Space Spiritualized
235 Odelay Beck
236 Hospice The Antlers
239 Ænima Tool
240 Plastic Beach Gorillaz
241 Black Holes And Revelations Muse
243 F♯A♯∞ Godspeed You! Black Emperor
245 Favourite Worst Nightmare Arctic Monkeys
248 Moon Safari Air (FR)
251 Late Registration Kanye West
253 Halcyon Digest Deerhunter
256 To Be Kind Swans
262 The Marshall Mathers LP Eminem
269 You Forgot It In People Broken Social Scene
270 The Smile Sessions The Beach Boys
272 Oracular Spectacular MGMT
273 Room On Fire The Strokes
274 Viva La Vida Or Death And All His Friends Coldplay
280 Aquemini OutKast
281 I Love You, Honeybear Father John Misty
283 Urban Hymns The Verve
291 Trouble Will Find Me The National
294 Damn. Kendrick Lamar
295 xx The xx
297 Perfect From Now On Built To Spill
298 Music Has The Right To Children Boards Of Canada
301 Let England Shake PJ Harvey
304 White Blood Cells The White Stripes
310 Toxicity System Of A Down
314 Atrocity Exhibition Danny Brown
315 Brothers The Black Keys
317 Twin Fantasy (Face To Face) Car Seat Headrest
319 The Age Of Adz Sufjan Stevens
321 Sea Change Beck
326 Igor Tyler, The Creator
327 The Idler Wheel Is Wiser Than The Driver Of The Screw And Whipping Cords Will Serve You More Than Ropes Will Ever Do Fiona Apple
328 98.12.28 ç”·é”ã®åˆ¥ã‚Œ [98.12.28 Otokotachi No Wakare] フィッシュマンズ [Fishmans]
331 Strawberry Jam Animal Collective
333 Untrue Burial
335 Long Season フィッシュマンズ [Fishmans]
336 Melodrama Lorde
337 Chutes Too Narrow The Shins
340 The King Of Limbs Radiohead
345 The Black Parade My Chemical Romance
346 The Colour And The Shape Foo Fighters
348 Silent Alarm Bloc Party
349 Innerspeaker Tame Impala
351 Third Portishead
352 Benji Sun Kil Moon
353 13 Blur
355 The Devil And God Are Raging Inside Me Brand New
357 Norman Fucking Rockwell! Lana Del Rey
358 Takk... Sigur Rós
362 Emergency & I The Dismemberment Plan
363 Good News For People Who Love Bad News Modest Mouse
366 Veckatimest Grizzly Bear
367 El Camino The Black Keys
368 Flower Boy Tyler, The Creator
370 Transatlanticism Death Cab For Cutie
371 Stories From The City, Stories From The Sea PJ Harvey
373 Titanic Rising Weyes Blood
376 ( ) Sigur Rós
377 Have One On Me Joanna Newsom
382 Stankonia OutKast
383 The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill Lauryn Hill
384 The Boatman's Call Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
386 Run The Jewels 2 Run The Jewels
388 Kids See Ghosts Kids See Ghosts
392 Person Pitch Panda Bear
393 Contra Vampire Weekend
399 Alligator The National
400 Deathconsciousness Have A Nice Life
401 I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning Bright Eyes
404 Soundtracks For The Blind Swans
405 Franz Ferdinand Franz Ferdinand
406 69 Love Songs The Magnetic Fields
409 Give Up The Postal Service
410 Born To Die Lana Del Rey
416 22, A Million Bon Iver
417 By The Way Red Hot Chili Peppers
418 The Life Of Pablo Kanye West
419 Art Angels Grimes
421 Graduation Kanye West
423 Skeleton Tree Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds
428 American Football American Football
430 Summerteeth Wilco
432 Fear Of A Blank Planet Porcupine Tree
435 Wolfgang Amadeus Phoenix Phoenix (FR)
437 Donuts J Dilla
439 A Deeper Understanding The War On Drugs
440 The Seer Swans
442 I Can Hear The Heart Beating As One Yo La Tengo
445 Keep It Like A Secret Built To Spill
446 Salad Days Mac DeMarco
452 X&Y Coldplay
456 Play Moby
457 The Mollusk Ween
458 St. Vincent St. Vincent
459 Kaputt Destroyer
463 Feels Animal Collective
466 The ArchAndroid Janelle Monáe
470 Hissing Fauna, Are You The Destroyer? of Montreal
472 XO Elliott Smith
475 Sometimes I Sit And Think, And Sometimes I Just Sit Courtney Barnett
477 Antics Interpol
482 De-Loused In The Comatorium The Mars Volta
485 Relationship Of Command At The Drive-In
487 In Absentia Porcupine Tree
488 Sunbather Deafheaven
489 Hurry Up, We're Dreaming M83
497 Black Messiah D'Angelo And The Vanguard
502 21 Adele
511 The Blueprint Jay-Z
514 The Seldom Seen Kid Elbow
515 The Fat Of The Land The Prodigy
516 White Pony Deftones
517 Wasting Light Foo Fighters
520 Lemonade Beyoncé
521 Stadium Arcadium Red Hot Chili Peppers
522 E•MO•TION Carly Rae Jepsen
526 When The Pawn... Fiona Apple
531 Up The Bracket The Libertines
533 Oh, Inverted World

The Shin

Those numbers show the all-time ranking.

Highest woman on there is Bjork at 99... 

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1 hour ago, maelzoid said:

I quite often dive into this website:

https://www.besteveralbums.com

It's nothing if not democratic. Just looking at what they have ranked highly for the last 25 years, it is very similar to the pitchfork list, with the major omissions being the massive uncool acts (Muse, Coldplay, Killers).

I remain convinced that Radiohead do well in these lists because Radiohead fans are inclined to vote in them so much. Either that are they really are the greatest band of the last 25 years...

Interesting. This website, which someone on here once mentioned and is the same concept, comes up with quite a different list: https://acclaimedmusic.net/year/alltime_albums.htm. It also has a list of the top 10,000 songs of all time (according to the critics' lists), both of which you can explore by genre or year/decade, and Spotify playlists of the same which are great to dip into.

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1 hour ago, Florian Saucer Attack said:

Arcade fire and LCD soundsystem have female members

On record though, isn't LCD just that one guy?

Either way, it hardly reverses the massive imbalance.

The only consolation I will take is that the percentage of female artists in these lists seems to be trending upwards over the years. 

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