steviewevie Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, zahidf said: Lol what? It's not our job to manage the NHS. why should I agree to limit my life because of NHS incompetence? it's because of lack of resources rather than NHS incompetence...fucks sake they've been working their arses off the last few years and all you do is moan on here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 20 minutes ago, steviewevie said: it's because of lack of resources rather than NHS incompetence...fucks sake they've been working their arses off the last few years and all you do is moan on here. Ah I meant to say Govt incompetence! Oh, I appreciate its not the workers fault. But there was a staffing crisis pre covid. I dont see why we should have restrictions because the govt couldn't be bothered sorting it out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, zahidf said: Ah I meant to say Govt incompetence! Oh, I appreciate its not the workers fault. But there was a staffing crisis pre covid. I dont see why we should have restrictions because the govt couldn't be bothered sorting it out. to be fair the govt are raising taxes to throw at the NHS, but that money won't be there yet...but yes, years of austerity means hospitals were pushed to the limit every winter even before covid...and they could surely see that there were going to be problems this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st dan Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, zahidf said: Ah I meant to say Govt incompetence! Oh, I appreciate its not the workers fault. But there was a staffing crisis pre covid. I dont see why we should have restrictions because the govt couldn't be bothered sorting it out. It’s a completely different situation than just general under staffing. For example, my wife’s ward have 5 of the 7 staff who were due to be working Christmas Day currently isolating. They’ve had to combine wards .. plus it’s gone round the catering staff too, so only one ward in the whole hospital currently has hot food. It’s a nightmare by all accounts. This will be the main issue and impact to hospitals with letting Omicron run rife with no restrictions. They’ll have to have a think of other alternatives (ie rethinking isolation for NHS staff somehow) or hope it rips through quickly in the next few weeks and we’ll be in a better position shortly. Edited December 24, 2021 by st dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moz4pm Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 I had my booster on Monday and they're already starting to talk about 4th 5th and 6th jabs on news. For me personally 3 is my limit, I've stuck to all the rules and regulations for the most part throughout this whole thing but I'm a healthy 36 year old with 3 jabs already, at some point you have to draw a line and get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) Go to work or sit at home eating mince pies and watching shit on TV while "isolating".... Just saying... Work Shy Britain 😄 Edited December 24, 2021 by Barry Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, moz4pm said: I had my booster on Monday and they're already starting to talk about 4th 5th and 6th jabs on news. For me personally 3 is my limit, I've stuck to all the rules and regulations for the most part throughout this whole thing but I'm a healthy 36 year old with 3 jabs already, at some point you have to draw a line and get on with it. Yeah I must admit I saw that on TV today and I thought - do I really want 4 or 5 covid jabs a year... Point is I don't care about getting it as long as I am protected from serious illness. Which 2 jabs seem to do just fine... Edited December 24, 2021 by Barry Fish 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 53 minutes ago, moz4pm said: I had my booster on Monday and they're already starting to talk about 4th 5th and 6th jabs on news. For me personally 3 is my limit, I've stuck to all the rules and regulations for the most part throughout this whole thing but I'm a healthy 36 year old with 3 jabs already, at some point you have to draw a line and get on with it. And that's surely where the vaccine passports come in - the government know many will be in this situation (me too though not too keen on even the one booster), so to keep people taking them freedoms/privileges will be attached to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justiceforcedave Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 45 minutes ago, moz4pm said: I had my booster on Monday and they're already starting to talk about 4th 5th and 6th jabs on news. For me personally 3 is my limit, I've stuck to all the rules and regulations for the most part throughout this whole thing but I'm a healthy 36 year old with 3 jabs already, at some point you have to draw a line and get on with it. I’m 37, triple vaccinated with no underlying health conditions. I’ve done as I’ve been told and my business has still been totally shit on this Christmas. The hospitality industry has been calling out for help and has largely been ignored. The door is going to have to swing both ways if the government want my continued ‘help’ with further booster rollouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 27 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said: And that's surely where the vaccine passports come in - the government know many will be in this situation (me too though not too keen on even the one booster), so to keep people taking them freedoms/privileges will be attached to it Not sure Johnson will be able to continue to do this..and if his replacement will probably bin the whole vaccine pass thing. I think further boosters will just be offered to the vulnerable anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moz4pm Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 hour ago, efcfanwirral said: And that's surely where the vaccine passports come in - the government know many will be in this situation (me too though not too keen on even the one booster), so to keep people taking them freedoms/privileges will be attached to it I think most people were willing to accept that for the initial vaccinations but if they try bringing it in for further boosters the public would reject it, all it does is throw fuel on the fire for people who believe its a conspiracy. It would be political suicide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 22 minutes ago, moz4pm said: I think most people were willing to accept that for the initial vaccinations but if they try bringing it in for further boosters the public would reject it, all it does is throw fuel on the fire for people who believe its a conspiracy. It would be political suicide. Yeah, I can't see the plan B rebels going for them updating the app like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 New SAGE modelling If there is less hospital occupancy than no justification for restrictions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 Well no point in restrictions now. If step 2 only reduces deaths by 15%, we need full lockdown or no restrictions. No point otherwise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, zahidf said: Well no point in restrictions now. If step 2 only reduces deaths by 15%, we need full lockdown or no restrictions. No point otherwise full lockdown it is then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 in 10 in London has it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justiceforcedave Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 30 minutes ago, steviewevie said: 1 in 10 in London has it! Going to be interesting to see what happens after Xmas. Are case numbers going to rocket after everyone spends time together? Or are they going to fall of a cliff because everyone stops testing once they’ve seen their families? I don’t doubt Covid is rife at the moment (I know enough people anecdotally who have got it) but it’s no surprise that record amounts of testing results in record amounts of positive tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 19 minutes ago, Justiceforcedave said: Going to be interesting to see what happens after Xmas. Are case numbers going to rocket after everyone spends time together? Or are they going to fall of a cliff because everyone stops testing once they’ve seen their families? I don’t doubt Covid is rife at the moment (I know enough people anecdotally who have got it) but it’s no surprise that record amounts of testing results in record amounts of positive tests. Ministers are meeting on Monday to decide apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 8 minutes ago, steviewevie said: Ministers are meeting on Monday to decide apparently. Well I don't see Rishi and the brave freedom fighters on the CRG agreeing to any restrictions. So BJ will either have to risk a VONC after most the country have been told omicron is milder, or tell the boffins to bounce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, zahidf said: Well I don't see Rishi and the brave freedom fighters on the CRG agreeing to any restrictions. So BJ will either have to risk a VONC after most the country have been told omicron is milder, or tell the boffins to bounce Brave...HAHAHAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 19 minutes ago, steviewevie said: Brave...HAHAHAHA If it wasn't for them, we'd be locked down already for god knows how long. Labour have decided not to ask questions anymore, at least they aren't nodding along to the increasingly wrong 'models ' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 hour ago, zahidf said: If it wasn't for them, we'd be locked down already for god knows how long. Labour have decided not to ask questions anymore, at least they aren't nodding along to the increasingly wrong 'models ' Haha...ok. Happy Christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraybentos1 Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 Did sage not say 2-7k hospitalisations per day if we opened up in July and it never broke 1k... Every modeL I’ve ever seen has been way too pessimistic. Tbh at this point I’ve had my 3 doses and I really do not care if they do lockdown (which they better not) I’ll just go to other peoples houses/ flats. I can do no more than 3 doses and over 18 months of this shite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascalpete Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 4 hours ago, steviewevie said: full lockdown it is then Just in case?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 Lol - its Christmas eve 🎄 Fuck it off guys 😀 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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