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Austria seems to be going along with the thesis that antibodies last around 8 - 9 months after your second jab. I do wonder what these zero covid countries are going to do and if they will ever hit a critical mass of people with antibodies whilst their vaccine rollouts are so slow:

 

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Austria has put an expiry date on arriving travellers’ vaccine certificates amid fears of waning immunity from the jabs.

The country won’t accept vaccine certificates from UK travellers who received their second doses more than 270 days (approximately 9 months) earlier, meaning that passes for the few who were fully vaccinated in January will expire in October. Those who were double jabbed by the end of April would have a valid pass until the end of January.

 

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Ardern in NZ has totally lost the plot - that or she is just plain lieing.

She still thinks NZ can stay covid free when they reopen in 2022.  One thing we know is the double jabbed can still get it and spread much more than the Kent variant and we all know how unsuccessful testing at the border is and contact tracing is once you open up on mass.

The ideas she is selling to the NZ public is just plain lies.  NZ can not and will not stay covid free forever.

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48 minutes ago, lost said:

Austria seems to be going along with the thesis that antibodies last around 8 - 9 months after your second jab. I do wonder what these zero covid countries are going to do and if they will ever hit a critical mass of people with antibodies whilst their vaccine rollouts are so slow:

 

 

When all the Austrian ski resorts go out of business this winter - that might focus a few minds.  I know I am not bothering this winter now.  

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21 hours ago, Chapple12345 said:

You can't be serious?? That's absolutely mental, it's like letting lifeguards at a beach have a day off in the middle of summer. It's interesting how countries that have dealt with it all so well are starting snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, again why you shouldn't ever make international comparisons 

Not really - the NZ approach has always been sharp, harsh lockdowns when any cases are detected to ensure they don't spread. Those lockdowns only last a week or two. Delaying the vax programme for a couple of weeks is certainly a better option that risking Delta spreading through the population - as once it gets out, as we've shown with all our attempts at lockdown, there's no getting back to zero COVID.

Also worth noting that when NZ talk about level 4 lockdown, it means everything is shut except grocery stores and hospitals. No "you can still get takeout", no "you can go into the office if it's essential" - and it's worked in preventing cases from snowballing so far.

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26 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Not really - the NZ approach has always been sharp, harsh lockdowns when any cases are detected to ensure they don't spread. Those lockdowns only last a week or two. Delaying the vax programme for a couple of weeks is certainly a better option that risking Delta spreading through the population - as once it gets out, as we've shown with all our attempts at lockdown, there's no getting back to zero COVID.

Also worth noting that when NZ talk about level 4 lockdown, it means everything is shut except grocery stores and hospitals. No "you can still get takeout", no "you can go into the office if it's essential" - and it's worked in preventing cases from snowballing so far.

But you always have to ask what is the aim ?

Is it to buy time to complete the vaccine roll out ? not really but this would make sense

It it to remain covid free forever ? apparently so - she said as much

Its an impossible strategy to maintain

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45 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Not really - the NZ approach has always been sharp, harsh lockdowns when any cases are detected to ensure they don't spread. Those lockdowns only last a week or two. Delaying the vax programme for a couple of weeks is certainly a better option that risking Delta spreading through the population - as once it gets out, as we've shown with all our attempts at lockdown, there's no getting back to zero COVID.

Also worth noting that when NZ talk about level 4 lockdown, it means everything is shut except grocery stores and hospitals. No "you can still get takeout", no "you can go into the office if it's essential" - and it's worked in preventing cases from snowballing so far.

And New South Wales proves that the R0 of delta is so high that even a lockdown of that proportion isn’t stopping Delta (given the poor vaccine rollout and near universal lack of infection based immunity)

 

New Zealand are fucked. 

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1 hour ago, DeanoL said:

Not really - the NZ approach has always been sharp, harsh lockdowns when any cases are detected to ensure they don't spread. Those lockdowns only last a week or two. Delaying the vax programme for a couple of weeks is certainly a better option that risking Delta spreading through the population - as once it gets out, as we've shown with all our attempts at lockdown, there's no getting back to zero COVID.

Also worth noting that when NZ talk about level 4 lockdown, it means everything is shut except grocery stores and hospitals. No "you can still get takeout", no "you can go into the office if it's essential" - and it's worked in preventing cases from snowballing so far.

I think vaccination centres should be open if hospitals are open. getting vaxxed asap is essential

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13 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I think vaccination centres should be open if hospitals are open. getting vaxxed asap is essential

You have to bear in mind though that because of the zero COVID policy, NZ vax centres are not set up with any sort of social distancing in mind. And hospitals are only open for emergencies.

If as Fuzzy Afro says Delta still takes route anyway they will certainly re-open things, but I don't think it's insane to try and stamp it right out again.

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22 hours ago, zahidf said:

Singapore said that they are going to reopen soon regardless of the death rate. doesn't help vaccination have been available freely for months and theyve only got 10% of the vulnerable double jabbed. 

Not sure where you got 10% from?

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1 hour ago, DeanoL said:

You have to bear in mind though that because of the zero COVID policy, NZ vax centres are not set up with any sort of social distancing in mind. And hospitals are only open for emergencies.

If as Fuzzy Afro says Delta still takes route anyway they will certainly re-open things, but I don't think it's insane to try and stamp it right out again.

I dunno its not that difficult to keep 6 feet away

And also, this is ridiculous 

 

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1 hour ago, zahidf said:

I dunno its not that difficult to keep 6 feet away

It is when you consider, for example, that people need a 15 minute wait period. Our vaccination centres were designed with waiting areas with spacing for 4x number of vaccinators to all wait in a social distanced fashion. NZ ones were not, as social distancing wasn't necessary.

Then you factor in queuing to actually get in there. All our centres were designed with all this in mind - queues with distances marked out, staff wiping down seats after they were used, and so on. NZ centres weren't made that way as there was no need. 

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32 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

It is when you consider, for example, that people need a 15 minute wait period. Our vaccination centres were designed with waiting areas with spacing for 4x number of vaccinators to all wait in a social distanced fashion. NZ ones were not, as social distancing wasn't necessary.

Then you factor in queuing to actually get in there. All our centres were designed with all this in mind - queues with distances marked out, staff wiping down seats after they were used, and so on. NZ centres weren't made that way as there was no need. 

Well... there was a need clearly! Should have had had it as a contingency in case they had to social distance when vaccinating. I think pausing the nationwide jabs is a BIG mistake

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4 hours ago, DeanoL said:

You have to bear in mind though that because of the zero COVID policy, NZ vax centres are not set up with any sort of social distancing in mind. And hospitals are only open for emergencies.

If as Fuzzy Afro says Delta still takes route anyway they will certainly re-open things, but I don't think it's insane to try and stamp it right out again.

But it’s not going to get stamped out in the rest of the world so what’s their long term strategy? Stay isolated from the world forever? 

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Vaccination update. % of population vaccinated now showing for all people aged from 16 years old which has been updated on the GOV dashboard from today. The figure for population aged 16 and above is 54,353,665 and is from the ONS mid-2020 estimate.

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