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Doesn't this just sum up Deepti ? 

Its clearly a graph to tell you half a story and scare you...

The reality is Flu is a nasty disease but one we have a vaccine for...  The data in this graph is from December before we had a authorised vaccine.  She isn't comparing like for like.  Plus we all know covid out competed flu AND we test for covid like no other virus known to man.

She knows all this - yet still spins her bollocks.  

 

I would imagine before we had a Flu vaccine - Flu claimed a lot more lives than it does today.

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Haven't a clue where she gets those flu numbers from. At the other end we've got "experts" predicting 60k flu deaths this winter.

This is why there are so many conspiracy theorists around currently, when you mix science with politics you get politics and most people can see right through it so start questioning everything. 

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14 minutes ago, lost said:

Haven't a clue where she gets those flu numbers from. At the other end we've got "experts" predicting 60k flu deaths this winter.

This is why there are so many conspiracy theorists around currently, when you mix science with politics you get politics and most people can see right through it so start questioning everything. 

I am getting the feeling this is why the new organisations are starting to move away from these "experts".  The new organisations are starting to hurt their own credibility repeating this crap.  At best it doesn't make sense...

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5 hours ago, Ryan1984 said:

This might play a part in our esteemed leader’s decision to spaff off on holiday: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58876089

After all the terrible things, it does say about how amazing the vaccine rollout has been. I know what the stock Tory response will be to any criticism.

Sir Patrick Vallance has got the deaths of 10’s of thousands on his hands. The fact he hasn’t resigned is a disgrace. 

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Was Vallance the one who made the decision to empty hospitals back into nursing homes as that seemed to be responsible for the big spike in deaths during the first wave.

I've never really got the lockdown timing argument. The first known person to die from/with this in this country caught it here in December and died in January and it probably entered the country via Italy where it had been since at least November. By the time testing had been ramped up sage found it was was completely embedded in all parts of the UK and which is why the Liverpool vs Madrid match was allowed to go ahead. But all that doesn't explain how China apparently locked one city down in February and got rid of it and also why they were buying up PCR testing machines and PPE from September?

I can't see how they can give an accurate time line of what should of happened when we don't really know what actually happened in the lifespan of this virus?

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5 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Whilst March 2020 was debatable, the govt definitely fucked up the in Winter 2020. That whole period they messed up

Deaths were higher but excess deaths were lower.

March they didn't know what to expect which is why they built the nightingales, conscripted private hospitals etc.. Winter they didn't do any of that, you could even take a doctor away from the NHS to get a boob job. They seemed to know the NHS was going to piss it easily with the lockdown. 

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18 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Mental. 

 

 

Genuinely baffling, he allowed the London marathon to go ahead just a few weeks ago and was one of the main people calling for 21st June to go ahead. To do this when every other home, bar and pub will be rammed is beggars belief. Anyway they did an alternative display with drones and everything last year, what's stopping people from gathering and watching that? 

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Sadiq has always erred on the side of caution right through this, so I'm not surprised at this. The fireworks is a huge tourist deal, even bigger than the marathon, and so there'd be plenty of people coming in internationally for it, which I guess is what they're antsy about. Can't even fathom how much money the city will lose from cancelling it.

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19 minutes ago, jannybruck said:

Sadiq has always erred on the side of caution right through this, so I'm not surprised at this. The fireworks is a huge tourist deal, even bigger than the marathon, and so there'd be plenty of people coming in internationally for it, which I guess is what they're antsy about. Can't even fathom how much money the city will lose from cancelling it.

Sounds as if there's some other events being considered instead at Trafalgar Square and I wouldn't be surprised if they also did a smaller scale event with a reduced crowd, as you say its too much of a money spinner to just call it off completely 

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2 hours ago, jannybruck said:

Sadiq has always erred on the side of caution right through this, so I'm not surprised at this. The fireworks is a huge tourist deal, even bigger than the marathon, and so there'd be plenty of people coming in internationally for it, which I guess is what they're antsy about. Can't even fathom how much money the city will lose from cancelling it.

You mean he has played political games throughout.

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5 hours ago, BobWillis2 said:

Sir Patrick Vallance has got the deaths of 10’s of thousands on his hands. The fact he hasn’t resigned is a disgrace. 

No fan of Boris but you can only act off the best advice you have and early on the advice was terrible.

But...  I think it's forgivable...  everyone made mistakes early on around the world  ..

Someone should go to prison for the mess which was December 2020

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1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

You mean he has played political games throughout.

No more or less than any other high profile political figure, particularly one that's scrutinised in a way that's disproportionate to his actual power. As a Londoner I've been broadly happy with his choices throughout, but he's definitely had to veer towards extremes to make his voice heard by people in government. Can't say I'll miss the fireworks or the absolute mess NYE brings, but it'll be damaging for hospitality who could've probably done with tourist money flowing in.

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14 hours ago, jannybruck said:

No more or less than any other high profile political figure, particularly one that's scrutinised in a way that's disproportionate to his actual power. As a Londoner I've been broadly happy with his choices throughout, but he's definitely had to veer towards extremes to make his voice heard by people in government. Can't say I'll miss the fireworks or the absolute mess NYE brings, but it'll be damaging for hospitality who could've probably done with tourist money flowing in.

The reality is he has swung around and played the opposite card to the government at all times.  He handled the transport network terribly.  Reducing services and causing crowding when what we needed was space.

The man is a joke to anyone not flying the red flag.

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Based on data showing the vaccine efficacy declining with time. The UK's higher numbers could simply be because we vaccinated earlier on than Europe. Europe could easily be in our position now in a couple of months time like Israel were in front of us on this before they started their 3rd dose.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/15/why-are-britons-so-much-more-relaxed-about-covid-than-europeans?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Got to love the Gurdian.  

I absolutely think the UK are doing the right.  Get the vaccine and covid isn't going to cause you a major problem.

My 88 year old gran got it and had a carbon copy experience as me.  People need to move on.  Plenty more scary things to worry about.

The vaccine changed everything.  Stick your masks up your arse. 

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On that note- wife went to beer festival last night.  No masks, no passports and place rammed.  I couldn't go- having covid etc. Lol

On Monday she is back in work and has to start wearing a mask again in the corridors at school.

So we still keep playing health theatre games and blaming easy targets.

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