Barry Fish Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 57 minutes ago, zahidf said: Yup. Time to end debates about restrictions The problem with building up for another pandemic is like when we moan about the roads closing in the winter due to the 3 days of snow out of 365. Yeah we could invest in the equipment to stop it but it will sit ideal for most of the year and longer if it doesn't snow that year. I don't think its actually possible to avoid the consequences of a pandemic. Its pretty much excepted that covid is capable of flooring any health system around the world. The only thing that stopped that was how quickly you shut down to avoid it. We do need to build up the NHS but I wouldn't say the aim should be avoid another shutting down of large parts of the NHS. Thats a bit of a unicorn of a goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted September 28, 2021 Report Share Posted September 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: The problem with building up for another pandemic is like when we moan about the roads closing in the winter due to the 3 days of snow out of 365. Yeah we could invest in the equipment to stop it but it will sit ideal for most of the year and longer if it doesn't snow that year. I don't think its actually possible to avoid the consequences of a pandemic. Its pretty much excepted that covid is capable of flooring any health system around the world. The only thing that stopped that was how quickly you shut down to avoid it. We do need to build up the NHS but I wouldn't say the aim should be avoid another shutting down of large parts of the NHS. Thats a bit of a unicorn of a goal. I do think hiring more Doctors/front line staff and better equipment e.t.c will lead to better outcomes overall though. Having better PPI generally would help with Covid ( which is Still going to be around) and other respiratory style illnesses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 17 hours ago, zahidf said: I do think hiring more Doctors/front line staff and better equipment e.t.c will lead to better outcomes overall though. Having better PPI generally would help with Covid ( which is Still going to be around) and other respiratory style illnesses Totally agree but we would have better overall health comes outcomes to ask questions like... how do we get better at treating cancer... rather than how do we cope with another pandemic is where I am coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 (edited) Reading countless reports of schools deciding for themselves to bring back masks and bubbles etc. Ffs why? Trust the vaccines.... there is little justification to continue to muzzle our fucking kids. And it's hugely disruptive in the classroom. Edited September 29, 2021 by Barry Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcshed Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Barry Fish said: Reading countless reports of schools deciding for themselves to bring back masks and bubbles etc. Ffs why? Trust the vaccines.... there is little justification to continue to muzzle our fucking kids. And it's hugely disruptive in the classroom. Do you think the schools that are making these decisions might have a better handle on how disruptive they are in the classroom than you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, mcshed said: Do you think the schools that are making these decisions might have a better handle on how disruptive they are in the classroom than you? No, my wife is a secondary school teacher so I get first hand reports from someone doing it. Her school isn't going back to masks. They caused too many issues and they have all had the vaccine. They can't see the point. And it was still carnage last year with them. Edited September 29, 2021 by Barry Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcshed Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 25 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: No, my wife is a secondary school teacher so I get first hand reports from someone doing it. Her school isn't going back to masks. They caused too many issues and they have all had the vaccine. They can't see the point. And it was still carnage last year with them. I reckon some of those schools probably include more teachers than just your wife but you do you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 14 minutes ago, mcshed said: I reckon some of those schools probably include more teachers than just your wife but you do you. I am sure they do - doesn't make it right 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mcshed Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Barry Fish said: I am sure they do - doesn't make it right The thing is I think you're probably right that the benefit of mask wearing when your sat in the same room as a group of people for a long time is of limited use, but I also think if it's the schools making the decisions they have a better handle on just how disruptive they are than you do. I might advocate for masks in the corridors but not in the classes but then I'm less well informed than both the schools and yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWillis2 Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 2 hours ago, mcshed said: I might advocate for masks in the corridors but not in the classes Makes about as much sense as needing to wear a mask unless drinking and eating, and needing to wear a mask to stand up in a pub/restaurant. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted September 29, 2021 Report Share Posted September 29, 2021 6 hours ago, mcshed said: The thing is I think you're probably right that the benefit of mask wearing when your sat in the same room as a group of people for a long time is of limited use, but I also think if it's the schools making the decisions they have a better handle on just how disruptive they are than you do. I might advocate for masks in the corridors but not in the classes but then I'm less well informed than both the schools and yourself. Kids aren't all that different between schools. I am pretty sure all the behavioural and mental health issues that have been put on kids by these restrictions are pretty consistent across the board. The reality some teachers are just scared beyond sense or reality and will impose this shit regardless of any benefit. Sick and tiered of pretending its okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 Do you think maybe there's an element of the masks and more strongly enforced structure improved behaviour in some schools, and some teachers are just reluctant to lose that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) Kid off school poorly with covid symptoms which are also common cold symptoms as we all know. Did LFT which was a nightmare because she hates them. Negative. Not good enough for school - they want full PCR before she is allowed a state education. So I have to now go perform another medical test on my daughter that has no direct health benefit to her. It fucking grates me. Edited September 30, 2021 by Barry Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) Something else I didn't know... LFT not recommend for under 11s according to the school... despite us being told we should be doing them by the school regularly even though its not mandatory. Thats a confused policy. Edited September 30, 2021 by Barry Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BobWillis2 Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 Long flu isn’t a thing some of you argued with me last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 (edited) Ever tried giving a PCR test to a poorly 7 year old who doesn't need or want one 😞 My morning sucks Edited September 30, 2021 by Barry Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyT Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 4 hours ago, Barry Fish said: Ever tried giving a PCR test to a poorly 7 year old who doesn't need or want one 😞 My morning sucks Had to do one on our then 11 month old in December last year. Never again. Absolutely harrowing experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zahidf Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, JoeyT said: I guess the models saying 2000 cases a day on a best case basis by the end of September and 100 k cases a day were horribly wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 1 hour ago, JoeyT said: Had to do one on our then 11 month old in December last year. Never again. Absolutely harrowing experience. 11 month old! wow 😮 why if you don't mind me asking ? Nursery ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 46 minutes ago, zahidf said: I guess the models saying 2000 cases a day on a best case basis by the end of September and 100 k cases a day were horribly wrong... Not that they will admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copperface Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 Congrats to Chris Pagel and Devi Sridhar on being recognised by the medical community for their sterling efforts so far throughout this pandemic. Accolades well deserved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted September 30, 2021 Report Share Posted September 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, Copperface said: Congrats to Chris Pagel and Devi Sridhar on being recognised by the medical community for their sterling efforts so far throughout this pandemic. Accolades well deserved. Someone is fishing 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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