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Surprised regarding the conclusion on masks when he confirms the aerosol theory via breathing. From what I've read the scientists who argued against masks always said they didn't work for covid as its spread via aerosols as opposite to droplets (flu)

Droplets would be caught in the mask but due to the size of the virus vs gaps in the mask via the aerosol method its like a swarm of midges flying at chain link fence.

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38 minutes ago, lost said:

Surprised regarding the conclusion on masks when he confirms the aerosol theory via breathing. From what I've read the scientists who argued against masks always said they didn't work for covid as its spread via aerosols as opposite to droplets (flu)

Droplets would be caught in the mask but due to the size of the virus vs gaps in the mask via the aerosol method its like a swarm of midges flying at chain link fence.

Not sure about that...  I haven't heard much like that...

But what I always did think is that the ones who pushed so heavily the concept of airborne transmission being a big issue couldn't at the same time say masks where so important for this reason.

Its defo a story that gets us back to social distancing being the most important factor at stopping transmission.  Not that we should aim to do that anymore.

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1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

Not sure about that...  I haven't heard much like that...

Mentioned here from the guy who advises sage on ventilation: 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/17/cloth-face-masks-comfort-blankets-do-little-curb-covid-spread/

 

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Standard face coverings are just "comfort blankets" that do little to reduce the spread of Covid particles.

"Masks can catch droplets and sputum from a cough but what is important is that SARS CoV-2 is predominantly distributed by tiny aerosols." claims Dr Axon, Brunel University's senior lecturer in engineering

medics were "unable to comprehend" the miniscule elements at play, adding: "A Covid viral particle is around 100 nanometres, material gaps in blue surgical masks are up to 1,000 times that size, cloth mask gaps can be 5,000 times the size."

"The small sizes are not easily understood but an imperfect analogy would be to imagine marbles fired at builders' scaffolding, some might hit a pole and rebound, but obviously most will fly through,"

 

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12 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

What difference did this make then other than destroying further the bank balances of already struggling football clubs.

Why is no one holding her to account.  Scots seem happy to be constantly plunged into the shit from her bad calls.

It wasn't football that she was worried about. It was the 6 nations.  She can't afford to lose her middle class support.

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1 hour ago, zahidf said:

Times reporting that the UK will be reducing the isolation period from 7 to 5 days (after 2 negative LFTs.). Due to be signed off on Thursday 

Does this help much? With the health care isolation issue thing? I was still getting positive LFTs for over even the 10s days. Are people really contracting it on Day 0, getting a positive LFT, then on days 4 and 5 it's already cleared up and they're negative? I mean maybe the vaccine/anitbodies really do work that well in people? 

Or is this solely to deal with someone getting a false positive test, in which case it'll make sod-all difference?

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Does this help much? With the health care isolation issue thing? I was still getting positive LFTs for over even the 10s days. Are people really contracting it on Day 0, getting a positive LFT, then on days 4 and 5 it's already cleared up and they're negative? I mean maybe the vaccine/anitbodies really do work that well in people? 

Or is this solely to deal with someone getting a false positive test, in which case it'll make sod-all difference?

I was still testing positive around day 8 or so...  I retested around day 12 and was clear.

So if people follow the rules then probably not. 

What will happen in reality is people will just see the 10 days is becoming 5 and will probably not bother with the testing bit.

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Isn't daily or every other day testing still compulsory for healthcare people though?  I feel like that's the biggest issue we have at the moment - that lack of supply issue for hospitals, rather than high demand. If it doesn't tackle that it's just pushing at the corners.

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18 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Isn't daily or every other day testing still compulsory for healthcare people though?  I feel like that's the biggest issue we have at the moment - that lack of supply issue for hospitals, rather than high demand. If it doesn't tackle that it's just pushing at the corners.

I think you are right its not going to make a huge difference...

Thankfully cases are now dropping and a lot of hospitals have now moved out of special measures which isn't being reported widely.

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https://www.republicworld.com/world-news/us-news/covid-19-us-house-of-republicans-claim-dr-fauci-downplayed-info-on-wuhan-lab-leak-theory-articleshow.html

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/01/11/scientists-believed-covid-leaked-wuhan-lab-feared-debate-could/

Starting to look like Covid DID come from a lab in China and our scientists got all political and downplayed it.  I only caught a bit of the report but it seems Valance is part of it according to reports.

This is actually a really big and sad story.  If its true - science isn't having a good day.

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There's also an E-mail in the leak claiming Ivermectin inhibits covid viral replication in the body. I really hope that was sent before trails concluded it had no use as the alternative doesn't bare thinking about.

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3 hours ago, DeanoL said:

Does this help much? With the health care isolation issue thing? I was still getting positive LFTs for over even the 10s days. Are people really contracting it on Day 0, getting a positive LFT, then on days 4 and 5 it's already cleared up and they're negative? I mean maybe the vaccine/anitbodies really do work that well in people? 

Or is this solely to deal with someone getting a false positive test, in which case it'll make sod-all difference?

Some people test negative for 4 and 5

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I think it was almost inevitably linked to the Wuhan lab in some way. It'd be a hell of a coincidence if not, for a Coronavirus outbreak to start right next to the world's biggest lab for studying Coronavirus.

Just there's a hell of a leap from "escaped in a lab accident" to "was being bioengineered as a weapon". If you're China of course you'd want to cover it up if it all turns out to be your fault because being responsible for it is really bad, but it doesn't mean you were engineering a virus to kill people.

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1 hour ago, zahidf said:

Some people test negative for 4 and 5

Is that common though? I genuinely don't know, just trying to understand if there's much point to this or if it's the government again doing something just to be seen to be doing something.

(Incidentally, both myself and my mother tested negative on day 9 with one of the older throat and nose swab tests, and positive on day 10 with one of the new "both nostrils" tests - I'd assume those latter tests are more sensitive - an unreported reason why isolation will have gone up)

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11 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Is that common though? I genuinely don't know, just trying to understand if there's much point to this or if it's the government again doing something just to be seen to be doing something.

(Incidentally, both myself and my mother tested negative on day 9 with one of the older throat and nose swab tests, and positive on day 10 with one of the new "both nostrils" tests - I'd assume those latter tests are more sensitive - an unreported reason why isolation will have gone up)

I cant see the link now but i saw an article that says 33% of people are still infectious after day 5 post positive test with Omicron ( and 16% after day 7). it will be enough people to make the change worthwhile

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