zahidf Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 Third point is interesting: Dr David Nabarro, the World Health Organization’s special envoy on Covid, said the virus is going to pose a very difficult situation for the next three months “at least” but “we can see the end in sight”. He told Sky News: I’m afraid we are moving through the marathon but there’s no actual way to say that we’re at the end - we can see the end in sight, but we’re not there. And there’s going to be some bumps before we get there. And I can’t tell you how bad they’re going to be, but I can at least tell you what I’m expecting. First of all, this virus is continuing to evolve - we have Omicron but we’ll get more variants. Secondly, it really is affecting the whole world. And, whilst health services in Western Europe are just about coping, in many other parts of the world, they are completely overwhelmed. And thirdly, it’s really clear that there’s no scope for major restrictions in any country, particularly poor countries. People have just got to keep working and so there are some very tough choices for politicians right now. It’s going to be difficult for the next three months at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 So Gove has had a glow up into an anti-lockdown hawk and his other lockdown lover buddy Hancock isn’t in the cabinet any more. Just need Nadine Dorries to shut up and we have the dream cabinet of hawks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said: So Gove has had a glow up into an anti-lockdown hawk and his other lockdown lover buddy Hancock isn’t in the cabinet any more. Just need Nadine Dorries to shut up and we have the dream cabinet of hawks. I've got to say seeing the reports of the culture Minister being heavily in support of restrictions didn't sit well with me. Giving her the benefit of the doubt maybe she saw the harms being done and saw restrictions and money as better than the pre Christmas situation but it wasn't reported with that caveat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 1 hour ago, efcfanwirral said: This really shows the tide is turning in cabinet! Or he's just going for the leadership and knows this'll get the MPs on side... If Gove is saying that publicly, i cant see Plan B being renewed past the end of the month 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mcshed Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 13 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: Its pretty standard political practice. Since the story Gove and others have said "there are no plans to end testing yet". Release the story, deny its happening, see the reaction... then do it 😛 But the standard is to leak the story not to leak the wrong end of the stick. As the widespread news has been end free LFTs not expand the remit of free LFTs to symptomatic cases end the advice for asymptomatic testing. If they want to make policy based on the reaction it helps if people are reacting to the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DeanoL Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 20 hours ago, Barry Fish said: Yeah but Dean you have always been a bit of blinkered empty head haven't you. You need to get out more and see the world - or at least twitter 😄 I learned not to listen to Twitter some years ago! It's an utter cesspit, makes this thread look positively civilized! 40 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said: So Gove has had a glow up into an anti-lockdown hawk and his other lockdown lover buddy Hancock isn’t in the cabinet any more. Just need Nadine Dorries to shut up and we have the dream cabinet of hawks. No, Gove actually seems to be looking at the data and being for or against restrictions based on how bad it is. That he's the only member of the cabinet actually doing that (and he's Michael fucking Gove) is a scary idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 20 hours ago, zahidf said: Out of curiosity, what's you're take then? Was Boz right not to put in Xmas restrictions? I think the mask restrictions were pointless without social distancing as I've said before. I think the work at home guidance was sensible. I would have given stronger guidance around Christmas - I think after last year people were going to do it anyway, but I'd have encouraged people to be aware of how it could spread - maybe just go see one set of family, not multiples. I'd have considered stronger measures over new year too - lots of businesses were left in limbo anyway, and there was a lot of hesitance, I'd have just shut hospitality over new year and first two weeks of January and given them the support they needed to survive. More generally it's quite difficult isn't it? My feeling right now is that it's fine, so retrospectively the choice we made was for the best (staffing issues because of isolation aside, as that's a policy issue). But it was a gamble. Given how massively transmissible Omicron seems to be, if it turned out it wasn't massively less deadly, or easily defeated by boosters or whatever, we'd be extremely fucked right now. Last January would have looked like a walk in the park. And we didn't know this in December. We had indications it might be - in fact I'd have given you good odds it would have been. Said as much at the time: we were more likely to be fine than not. The problem is if we weren't fine, it would have been really bad. It's not a gamble I would have taken. I means it's obvious now Johnson made the best choice, but that doesn't mean it was the right choice at the time with the information he had. If I tell you there are two boxes A & B, one with £50,000 in it, and one with nothing. And I tell you there's a 75% chance that box A has the £50k. And you can pick one. The correct choice is box A. If you pick box B, and get lucky, it doesn't retrospectively mean you made the correct decision. And to be fair on the government they've been dogged by this results-oriented approach all along. At many points earlier in the pandemic they made choices on the best data available and those choices turned out to be a disaster and they got criticised for it, and I've never been convinced that was fair either. Still, looking okay now, I genuinely think with Omicron being milder and spreading around, that with the vaccine will finally end this thing for good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 The best information we had was surely South Africa? I know Sage wanted to discount it but you can make an argument the country that was the first to deal with omicron had the best information on omicron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DeanoL Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 2 hours ago, Barry Fish said: Echo chamber... Isn't that exactly what Twitter is? You follow the people you like. Or follow women you hate so you can call them names? To be honest I follow the whole COVID thing by reading the BBC News website and this thread. It's laughable that you'd say I'm in an echo chamber given I normally argue with you or someone else in here most days. 2 hours ago, Barry Fish said: Bollocks... Data is raw.... How you analysis that data and the conclusions that come from it are key. He failed... At least he can admit his failures - maybe you should consider it from time to time ? So did you fail when you had your wobble just before Christmas and started saying you thought we probably would need more restrictions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) Sharp fall in london Edited January 10, 2022 by zahidf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 (edited) “In retrospect, I think titling the email ‘Fuck rules, rules are for dying peasants’ was a mistake and may have given the wrong impression, and I apologise for any offence caused” Edited January 10, 2022 by zahidf 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyT Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 Drakeford 🤫 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 Sturgeon saying she thinks face masks might be mandatory in shops forever. Which devolved leader is a bigger moron? Drakeford or Sturgeon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraybentos1 Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 7 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said: Sturgeon saying she thinks face masks might be mandatory in shops forever. Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzim Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 15 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: With a comment like that Sturgeon Whilst I don't especially support Sturgeon I can find no evidence of her saying anything like that apart from @Fuzzy Afropost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizzim Posted January 10, 2022 Report Share Posted January 10, 2022 24 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: Maybe try a little harder...https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-hints-long-term-25907812 "Sometimes when you hear people talk about learning to live with Covid, what seems to be suggested is that one morning we’ll wake up and not have to worry about it anymore, and not have to do anything to try to contain and control it," she told STV News. "That’s not what I mean when I say ‘learning to live with it’. "Instead, we will have to ask ourselves what adaptations to pre-pandemic life – face coverings, for example – might be required in the longer-term to enable us to live with it with far fewer protective measures." Sturgeon added: "We are in a position where we all want to get to as much normality as possible. All of us, me included, really crave that. "But we need to recognise that this virus, although we hope Omicron is milder than previous variants, this virus still takes lives and it still causes significant health impacts for people. "So we have got to treat it seriously and not underestimate the damage that it can do." Maybe I'm too pedantic in my search; "forever" should have tried " longer-term' 😟 Not gonna happen anyway.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJS Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Barry Fish said: I don't think it will happen - I think this is just nasty nicky playing politics again at the expense of the Scottish people again... SNP +10 absolute bollocks as usual Barry. face coverings, for example – might be required in the longer-term to enable us to live with it with far fewer protective measures." is not the same as Sturgeon saying she thinks face masks might be mandatory in shops forever 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 5 hours ago, LJS said: absolute bollocks as usual Barry. face coverings, for example – might be required in the longer-term to enable us to live with it with far fewer protective measures." is not the same as Sturgeon saying she thinks face masks might be mandatory in shops forever How long term though since covid is never going away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 On 1/7/2022 at 12:13 AM, LJS said: Scotland's infection & death rates have been lower than England's. except when they haven't : see care homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted January 11, 2022 Report Share Posted January 11, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, LJS said: absolute bollocks as usual Barry. face coverings, for example – might be required in the longer-term to enable us to live with it with far fewer protective measures." is not the same as Sturgeon saying she thinks face masks might be mandatory in shops forever if we're going to use face coverings, we need to use coverings which work this guy knows the score. Edited January 11, 2022 by Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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