Fuzzy Afro Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 52 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said: Wonder how likely it is Johnson will be forced to resign over this flat/donor issue? Would have a direct impact on our covid response and would probably lead to immediate restrictions with Gove There is no chance that the restriction skeptic Tory backbenchers would allow Gove to make the ballot. It’ll be Sunak and Truss, both of whom are even more hawkish than Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justiceforcedave Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, balthazarstarbuck said: Unless the Parliamentary Conservative Party magically turn into Covid Hawks and elect a replacement accordingly I don’t think that’s a realistic prospect. He won’t resign from this flat stuff, and even if he did he’d be far more likely to be replaced by Liz Truss or Rish the Dish, neither of whom advocate further restrictions. …and attempting to get any restrictions through parliament is a job in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 New Fake SAGE chart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Well done kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) https://accessaa.co.uk/sajid-javid-leading-calls-for-booster-jab-to-become-venue-entry-requirement/ Edit - found it in the Times. Assume this means the testing option will be removed as was always inevitable? Younger people were on around 50% booster take up last time I saw the graph so I guess this is to "encourage" them. Wonder how long the rule will last if they bring it in? Summer or permanent? Edited January 7, 2022 by efcfanwirral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said: has this appeared in any papers yet? I can't find it anywhere though this is industry people so may have had a tip off. Assume this means the testing option will be removed as was always inevitable? Is there anyone left who believes this rubbish? Hasn't Starmer had covid, had his booster and then caught covid again all in the space of less than 2 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: If we are going to have domestic covid passports then this will at least make them mean something. Simply being able to register a negative LFT renders the whole thing pointless - nothing stopping you faking it. If this comes in then why not go further and stop people not boosted socialising too? If the idea is to protect them from hospitalisation (as SURELY its not about transmission) then it should be everything to stop that if its necessary All this is is government sponsored coercion again. It also means they'll do it every time a new booster is needed...which sounds like every 3 months or so based on the waning protection they talk about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: Yup I agree - I am not supportive of the concept but I do think allowing a negative LFT renders it a joke rather than just without merit. And the fact you can walk in with a vaccine, with covid is pretty mad too Edited January 7, 2022 by efcfanwirral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Covid: Drakeford accuses Johnson of failing to protect England https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59895505 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyT Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 50 minutes ago, zahidf said: Covid: Drakeford accuses Johnson of failing to protect England https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59895505 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 there looks to be a clear pattern here to do with age regardless of vaccine status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zahidf Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Fake SAGE calls for virtual teaching for months There's also a part where Michie says that society will permanently need to change its attitude to socialisation, including thinking twice before meeting up if the person is a teacher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said: there looks to be a clear pattern here to do with age regardless of vaccine status. When we think back to Captain Tom who died from covid. I believe he couldn't take the vaccine due to age/underlying health conditions. I do wonder how many are in his position rather than being anti-vaxxers that they are so fragile that both the vaccine and covid could kill them. It doesn't make any other sense why so many 80+ are unvaccinated. Also on a subject that isn't very nice. I know assisted suicide isn't legal in this country. The people who say have dementia that's progressed to the point where they are locked in their own bodies unable to move or communicate, do we legally have to vaccinate these people or do we let nature take its course? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWillis2 Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 “Independent SAGE releases its covid strategy” An adult wrote that. Embarrassing group of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSheriff Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 hour ago, zahidf said: Covid: Drakeford accuses Johnson of failing to protect England https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-59895505 Watched his press conference at lunchtime, it took a lot not to throw the remote at the TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 49 minutes ago, zahidf said: Fake SAGE calls for virtual teaching for months There's also a part where Michie says that society will permanently need to change its attitude to socialisation, including thinking twice before meeting up if the person is a teacher And even they don't advocate for vaccine passports... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyT Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st dan Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Glad there are signs that we may be past the peak now - assuming that the modelling was expecting much higher two weeks after the Christmas household mixing etc. Sadly though we are going to hit the 150,000 death mark tomorrow - in under 22 months. Whatever your thoughts are on restrictions etc, that’s a sobering number of deaths. Imagine the figure it could (and would) have been without the lockdowns and vaccines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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st dan Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: Yes vaccines saved lives - its not a given lockdowns did. Whilst I suppose you can’t support a theoretical argument, surely it’s fair to concede that the initial strict and well observed lockdown (from March to July 2020) saved many tens of thousands of lives, compared to if they never happened? Especially in those who vulnerable and shielding. Edited January 7, 2022 by st dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balthazarstarbuck Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 Prevalence looks to have peaked in every age bracket other than under 20s (because schools) and in every English region other than the North East (no idea why) http://sonorouschocolate.com/covid19/index.php?title=CasesByAge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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balthazarstarbuck Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 1 minute ago, JoeyT said: Really is looking like the main healthcare problem with Omicron is a lack of supply rather than too much demand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost Posted January 7, 2022 Report Share Posted January 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, st dan said: , surely it’s fair to concede that the initial strict and well observed lockdown (from March to July 2020) saved many tens of thousands of lives, compared to if they never happened? Especially in those who vulnerable and shielding. Difficult to say. Most of the excess deaths during this pandemic happened during that period but that's mainly due to oldies with covid being moved out of hospital and back into nursing homes and the rush to ventilate everyone with covid. Something similar happened in Stockholm hospitals but if you take Malmo and the surrounding area during that period who didn't lock down vs say Copenhagen who did with similar population sizes. Copenhagen had the higher death rate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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