steviewevie Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: They could simply just say this for their tag lines.. "Not good enough for proper sage" too cool for school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zahidf Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 Well there you go. No need for any more restrictions. Fake SAGE will be devastated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, zahidf said: Well there you go. No need for any more restrictions. Fake SAGE will be devastated. Less severe, more infectious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 I'm not convinced restrictions on outdoor events will work. I think they will just cause more people to congregate inside to watch on tv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, steviewevie said: Less severe, more infectious. Really? Also, that's good. Means we all get it and can move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) Coming to a travel requirement near you summer 2022 Edited December 21, 2021 by efcfanwirral 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BobWillis2 Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 follow the science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, zahidf said: Seems sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 This is a good idea I reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyrulion Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 hour ago, steviewevie said: So basically it might actually be less severe or just look to be less severe because it re-infects people who are already protected against severe disease. They don't end up in hospital, but the others who aren't protected against severe disease do. Once you're in hospital, outcomes seem to be about the same. Look forward to Boris trying to explain that one on his boxing day national broadcast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted December 21, 2021 Report Share Posted December 21, 2021 33 minutes ago, Leyrulion said: So basically it might actually be less severe or just look to be less severe because it re-infects people who are already protected against severe disease. They don't end up in hospital, but the others who aren't protected against severe disease do. Once you're in hospital, outcomes seem to be about the same. Look forward to Boris trying to explain that one on his boxing day national broadcast. Easy " if you are vaccinated then you are safe. If you aren't, good luck" I believe that's what Joe Biden said in the US Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st dan Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 7 hours ago, zahidf said: I thought LFTs can show positive for a long time (potentially even months in some cases) after infection? Not sure if this may be different with the ‘weaker’ Omicron variant, but if not, then these changes might not end up making much difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 UK data confirms that omicron is milder than Delta https://www.politico.eu/newsletter/london-playbook/scoop-omicron-milder-in-uk-new-years-fireworks-liz-vs-no-10/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steviewevie Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 Less severe and more infectious overall probably good, right? As long as health and other services are able to cope with so many people off sick. Could be the last big wave of covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 SAGE etc will probably still advise that might want more restrictions to flatten curve and prevent any health services being overstretched, but Johnson will struggle to get support from ministers and MPs if proven to be less severe than delta. I reckon it will be just further guidance, nothing legal. Whitty's guidance last week seemed to have worked pretty well, asking people to choose who they really want to see over christmas...maybe they'll get him to do it again. They could replace Queen's speech with the Whitty show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 Just now, steviewevie said: SAGE etc will probably still advise that might want more restrictions to flatten curve and prevent any health services being overstretched, but Johnson will struggle to get support from ministers and MPs if proven to be less severe than delta. I reckon it will be just further guidance, nothing legal. Whitty's guidance last week seemed to have worked pretty well, asking people to choose who they really want to see over christmas...maybe they'll get him to do it again. They could replace Queen's speech with the Whitty show. What a surprise, the eggheads still want restrictions! theyll have to rereun their previous models with the new information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, zahidf said: What a surprise, the eggheads still want restrictions! theyll have to rereun their previous models with the new information in that playbook thing it says that even though mild could still end up with a lot of hospitalisations because so infectious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, steviewevie said: in that playbook thing it says that even though mild could still end up with a lot of hospitalisations because so infectious. Well, they were saying that anyway, but that it was as severe as Delta. As it seems to be milder, the numbers of hospitalisations will be lower , as their precious models assumed the severity was the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyT Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, steviewevie said: in that playbook thing it says that even though mild could still end up with a lot of hospitalisations because so infectious. I'm really not comfortable about rules being forced on an entire population with sectors limited or closed when the overwhelming majority will still only have mild symptoms. The younger generation once again screwed even after answering the call to get boosted in massive numbers. Not fair at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st dan Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 I’m still convinced that a lot of people are getting the positive covid test result, then panicking and making their symptoms worse e.g. breathlessness, and then turning up at hospitals. The fact that there seems to be a high turnover of discharges too probably show this. If their symptoms were exactly the same, but it was called the common cold rather than Covid then I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t be seeing admissions anywhere near the levels they are/will be in the coming weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyT Posted December 22, 2021 Report Share Posted December 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: I think the government have the balance right. I fear the easy thing for Boris is to put cubs in regardless after Christmas as it doesn't break his Christmas promise. He never said new year would be better this year. I hope the monitor the data and only pull the trigger if needs be. I think it's foolish though to pretend there might not be a need. Any rules put in from this point onwards now it has been recognised that you are less likely to become severely ill cannot be forced on the entire population. For instance - I'm 32, not in any of the vulnerable categories, got my 2 jabs when asked on the provision that the roadmap was irreversible and by getting jabbed I'd have my freedoms back, I then got boosted as soon as I was able to on the proviso that this would continue to give me the freedoms I usually have (which turns out the protection is very good when doing so) & after all of that it then turns out that the new mutation that everyone has shit the bed over is less likely to give severe symptoms. Why should I follow any rules from now on? This is the question the majority of the country are going to be faced with going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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