steviewevie Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 41 minutes ago, zahidf said: The lockdown lovers knew that they had one last chance to keep everyone in restrictions, because falling cases without any NPIs destroys their case. What they wanted was for lockdown to be introduced last week, hence the massive campaign around Plan B and general doom mongering. That way their measures would be credited for the coming fall in cases despite it being more likely that we've hit close to herd immunity for delta with our current levels of indoor socialising. Thankfully Boris ignored them lockdown in January? BET NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapple12345 Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 hour ago, zahidf said: Missing Wales but look at that crash Last week I got a Sky News notification saying we'd recorded the highest cases since July, funnily enough since it started declining I haven't had anything through from them about it. Almost as if bad news sells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said: Last week I got a Sky News notification saying we'd recorded the highest cases since July, funnily enough since it started declining I haven't had anything through from them about it. Almost as if bad news sells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 I think just linking covid to deaths misses the point. The hospitals were not under strain initially just because of deaths due to covid, but the amount who were not dieing, but poorly enough to take up hospital beds. That took resources away from the NHS to do all the stuff they did pre covid such as surgery. I believe the initial lockdown was necessary to protect the NHS and keep staffing levels high enough to staff the thing. The vaccinations have changed everything and are clearly the best way forward now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnomicide Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 This thread, fucking Hell. Yeah, a few hundred thousand could have died but fuck 'em, I had to stay in for a bit. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted October 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 Just now, Gnomicide said: This thread, fucking Hell. Yeah, a few hundred thousand could have died but fuck 'em, I had to stay in for a bit. Fuck em all … Chuck all those people with cancer in there … diabetics fuck em … over 50s fuck em too … I’m not sure some are totally aware how many people fall into these categories alone ?! Which were the reason these people get booster jabs and were the earliest to get the jab … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, pink_triangle said: I think just linking covid to deaths misses the point. The hospitals were not under strain initially just because of deaths due to covid, but the amount who were not dieing, but poorly enough to take up hospital beds. That took resources away from the NHS to do all the stuff they did pre covid such as surgery. I believe the initial lockdown was necessary to protect the NHS and keep staffing levels high enough to staff the thing. The vaccinations have changed everything and are clearly the best way forward now. read somewhere that 1 in 5 hospital beds are occupied by covid patients, that's quite a lot...and if get a surge of flu/other patients then we'll haver a problem. Always need a headroom to allow for this...and headroom is smaller than usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: Flu every year since I was born. Add in examples where NHS resources are rationed as well. Plenty of people have been left to die. Its just you haven't given a shit until covid arrived flu doesn't kill 100s of thousands...I mean it did in 1918, but not these days, not yet anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: You seemed to be happy with restrictions throughout which actually did say fuck em to some of those people on the list in favour of covid patients. You aren't bright enough to work that out sadly. Plenty of people missed chemo etc. lockdown was to help nhs cope with covid + other patients. In the end because so late to lockdown we had to de-prioritise some non covid stuff which is why such a backlog now. But, maybe lockdowns don't work and maybe covid patients need to man the fuck up and maybe we should leave older people home to rot etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Barry Fish said: Or maybe the modeling was wrong and the NHS might of coped without restrictions and children didn't have to lose parents to cancer while we saved a few extra old people ? Just a maybe... maybe we should give it some thought gave it some thought. The parent/children thing is very sad, very emotive, good effort, but at same time lockdown was there to help NHS save cancer patients and covid patients. So, we had restrictions to our liberties to help health services cope with all the covid patients and still try and save cancer patients. It's a fucking nightmare of a choice, but I was willing to make a few sacrifices if helped. Thought over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 I think the lockdown was just about justifiable in March and winter. Now we have rhe vaccines, they are no longer justifiable at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted October 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 16 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: You seemed to be happy with restrictions throughout which actually did say fuck em to some of those people on the list in favour of covid patients. You aren't bright enough to work that out sadly. Plenty of people missed chemo etc. Cut your bullshit out Barry … I’m no happier with lockdown than anyone else … I had to shield for the first 6 months of this fucking thing … I found ways of dealing with things in my own way … I barely saw a soul , including my parents that lived a short drive away , I could have formed a bubble with them … but I didn’t … the lockdown was to enable the nhs to function for all those other things and precisely why I wasn’t going to be a burden on it . Oh You we’rent around from the start where we all supported each other on that thread and talked through our personal battles … remember Barry that you aren’t always right !!! So stop being so self righteous just for once yeah ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lost Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 15 minutes ago, steviewevie said: flu doesn't kill 100s of thousands...I mean it did in 1918, but not these days, not yet anyway. Slight issue here is the covid act changed the way we record deaths so you can’t really compare. In the past say you had lung cancer which reduced your lung capacity you then caught flu and your lungs packed in that would go down as a cancer death, if the same thing happens with covid it goes down as a covid death. That’s why it’s better to use excess deaths but even that is more complicated as areas of Australia that had few covid cases saw excess deaths rise during lockdown and so some of those deaths are clearly due to lockdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copperface Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 22 minutes ago, steviewevie said: flu doesn't kill 100s of thousands...I mean it did in 1918, but not these days, not yet anyway. Flu deaths past five years, including the really bad year of 2017/8. Take out that year and the average is well under 10k per year. Source https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/895233/Surveillance_Influenza_and_other_respiratory_viruses_in_the_UK_2019_to_2020_FINAL.pdf#page=54 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyT Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 In terms of shielding, was it 6 months of housebound or did it change? I can’t even remember what the generic rules were to be honest. With hindsight I think we can certainly say a lot of the early restrictions were overkill. Especially that crap about only going out once a day for a max of 30 mins… obscene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copperface Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 Re the last couple of days figures: Are they not always lower on a Sunday and Monday due to reporting lag and that's always been the case? Why is so much store being put by these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Copperface said: Re the last couple of days figures: Are they not always lower on a Sunday and Monday due to reporting lag and that's always been the case? Why is so much store being put by these? Is down on last week's numbers for the same days. So the reporting lag doesn't apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraybentos1 Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 6 minutes ago, Copperface said: Re the last couple of days figures: Are they not always lower on a Sunday and Monday due to reporting lag and that's always been the case? Why is so much store being put by these? You compare today with last monday and yday with the sunday before etc. These are huge drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred quimby Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 40 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: Flu every year since I was born. Add in examples where NHS resources are rationed as well. Plenty of people have been left to die. Its just you haven't given a shit until covid arrived What 300,000 die in a year in the UK of flu. Once again Fuzzy's quote Nice one, love it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraybentos1 Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 I think it is done tbh. Predictable silence from the indy sage numpties about the recent drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred quimby Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 Just now, Barry Fish said: Either way- as long as you are happy It's all that matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred quimby Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 I am happy for no restrictions going forward by the way but his statement just needed a little challenge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred quimby Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Barry Fish said: On the question on who would have been happy to see die in your own family. Its obviously a ridiculous question as no one is going go serve up a loved one. But if the question if I would of accepted a riskier existence for my own gran to avoid lockdowns then yes I would of done. The idea lockdowns save lives has always been on weak ground. Now one of yours. And was wondering about this. If say the virus was just killing kids do you feel that you would have felt the same? Just wondering is all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 25, 2021 Report Share Posted October 25, 2021 39 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: And this is how you learn lessons if you are an idiot. Well done Steve steviewevie to you, fishy c**t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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